Posted on 10/01/2016 6:50:03 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith
My sister's neighbor, her "adopted daughter", if you will, is trying to raise money to go from Brooklyn to Montreal with a van to rescue as many pit bulls as she can before they are put down this Monday under a new law. My sister is driving up there. (I'd be going, too, if I weren't allergic!)
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It may be problematic.
Geez. I drove into Canada with my *very used* downhill skis, strapped to the roof. No problem.
Coming *back* into the US...all kinds of grief; US customs wanted to see my *bill of sales* for them ... Somehow, I talked my way out of having to declare them. So, I can’t imagine a *van full of dogs*.
I was at a town fair where some old, weak woman wanted to parade a dog that was even more ugly and massive than a pit—there are other fighting dog breeds around, but it still had the big muscled head with eyes like a pig’s—on this skinny little leash. One lunge and that dog would have been loose, among lots of kids and normal pooches—I believe she brought the monster for no other reason than to look tough and dangerous.
With skis it's taxes...with dogs it would be rabies (and other diseases).
Quarantine in quantity could be expensive.
No they don’t care. They haven’t stated as to why the pit bull was being put down other than it was a new law. Do you think that the dog attacked someone, perhaps a child, but they left out that minor detail.
You’re obviously a pit bull apologist, and yeah, you did disparage my mom. I was the one who showed politeness, by not ripping your face off for it.
The controversy over pit bulls has nothing to do with their owners, and whether or not they’re training them correctly. If that were the case, you’d see the same percentage of bites and maulings by other breeds, but you don’t.
Statistically, these animals bite and attack more than any other breed of dog. That is simply a fact which outweighs anyone’s opinion on the matter, including yours.
From DogsBite.org:
“In the 11-year period of 2005 through 2015, canines killed 360 Americans. Pit bulls contributed to 64% (232) of these deaths.”
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php
Dogsbitedotorg deliberately publishes false data and will not correct it when shown the facts.
I’d suggest looking at the http://www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/
if you are interested in facts and not propaganda.
Look I get it, you’re a fanatical self-righteous hater of ‘pit bulls’
and you enjoy the sense of moral superiority it gives to you.
However did your dear Mother manage to survive owning not one but two of these devil dogs?
Given what you ‘know’ about these dogs wouldn’t the responsible thing to do
have been to remove the possible danger they presented to your mother?
Ripping my face off for it???
You’re sounding like the type of person that would own a pit bull.
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Be that as it may, I feel some sadness that you are behaving this way.
I’ve been aware of you as a poster at FR for some time now
and I’ve always been glad you were a FReeper and valued your contribution.
I would have thought you, perhaps more than others,
would be cognizant of the dangers of arguing from the specific to the general.
Your type of response is closely akin to the hatred, bigotry
and generalizing that some folks use to target a particular racial group.
I’ll leave the last word to you unless there is a question you’d like to ask
and I hope we meet again in the future as comrades in the fight for Freedom.
Just to set the record straight I AM NOT an apologist for any breed or type of dog.
I am an advocate for Responsible Dog Ownership,
the principles of which are not breed specific, while their application may be.
I'd love to help put them ALL down!
This is about the first sensible thing I've seen Canada do.
Disbelieve the facts and statistics if you want.
Any observant, reasonably informed person, has seen enough reports about these animals over the years to have a well informed opinion about the breed. Many people even have direct firsthand experience that comports with what they’ve read and heard.
The data’s out there, and it’s undeniable. The pit bull terrier is not just another breed of dog. Its an exotic animal with an inbred temperament that makes it unsuitable and dangerous for normal pet ownership.
In my opinion, ownership of these animals should be highly regulated. I’m talking licensing and secure facility requirements for owners. I would actually support an outright ban, if such were ever proposed.
That’s where I stand. I’m not even debating this with you. You want the last word, be my guest, but I’ve seen enough, and won’t be changing my mind on the subject.
That's like the parent of an obnoxious, shrieking, ill-behaved tot asking if I hate all children...But no, I simply don't care.
The only emotion I have in this case is a small bit of contempt for the harebrained scheme outlined by the OP.
Mayor Coderre told to heel in pit-bull court case
By PETER WHEELAND
Description: Short, stocky with large head. Difficult to control in crowds or around cameras. Tends to snap quickly at anything that catches his attention without regard to consequences. When he grabs at something, will lock on ferociously at first, but if disciplined will occasionally drop his newfound toy, then sniff around for a new one. Answers to Denis, or Mister Mayor. Although a small number of politicians of similar breeding and temperament have gone on to commit genocide, most are benign and lead short political lives. If kept on a short leash and muzzled when dealing with growing number of angry citizens, Denis should lead a relatively uneventful life until he is transferred to a retirement facility in November 2017.
Justice Louis Gouin this week joined a growing chorus of magistrates who have had to discipline Montreal’s Denis Coderre administration for overstepping its authority. The Superior Court judge on Wednesday granted a request from the Montreal SPCA to suspend the application of clauses in the city’s new animal control by-law that ban new pit-bull-type dogs and imposes strict rules on current owners.
The justice noted that the by-law definition of pit bull was so vague that not even the city’s lawyer could say what was or wasn’t a pit bull. “If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s gotta be a duck,” he lamely argued. (Lawyer René Cadieux also told the judge he knows pornography when he see it. Cadieux did not detail how often he sees it, but I suspect it involves ducks.)
The judge also said the city’s threat to confiscate and kill individual animals when there is no evidence they pose a threat likely exceeds its legal powers. These issues justified suspending those portions of the by-law until the SPCA’s full case is heard at a future court date, he ruled.
SPCA lawyers also questioned other provisions of the by-law — which the judge described as “written in haste” and by Projet Montréal city councillor Craig Sauvé as written on a tablecloth (wine-stained, I assume). In particular, they contest provisions that would allow any “competent authority” to enter a home without a warrant to seize a dog.
The city may face legal challenges from other groups as well. Prominent lawyers Julius Grey and Anne-France Goldwater are acting on behalf of other Montrealers upset with the new rules.
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This isn’t the first time a judge has had to yank hard on Coderre’s leash. Two separate courts have taken the city to task over its use of by-law P-6 to arrest and fine student protesters, with one municipal court judge throwing out three cases, forcing the city to withdraw 3,000 others tickets, with fines that ran as high as $3,000 for repeat offences.
Another provision of P-6, which forbids the wearing of masks, was struck down in Quebec Superior Court this June. Coderre threatened to appeal the ruling, but backed off the bluster after the cameras stopped rolling.
Coderre also gave up earlier this year when another Superior Court judge slapped down his impetuous attempt to impose a one-year moratorium on the calèche trade in Montreal. Coderre had reacted quickly to an incident in which a calèche horse was involved in a collision with a car in Griffintown in April, catching everyone off-guard by announcing a moratorium while the city considered a permanent ban. Calèche owners, who had already been given permits for the upcoming season, quickly sought an injunction, however. The judge agreed with owners and said the city didn’t have the authority to impose a moratorium.
But by then the mayor seemed to have shifted his rage elsewhere, dropping the whole idea: “I won’t spend the summer battling one injunction after another,” he told CBC.
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Public relations expert Alyn Edwards of Peak Communicators told Gazette reporter Michelle Lalonde on Wednesday that “anyone could see this coming” — meaning the backlash against the pit-bull ban within the city and negative publicity it has drawn from dog experts and dog lovers around the world.
As with the calèche saga, the mayor reacted quickly to respond to an isolated incident, in this case a dog attack that killed Pointe-aux-Trembles resident Christiane Vadnais in June. Initially reported as involving a pit bull, “Lucifer” was in fact registered by its owner as a boxer and the city has been unable to produce DNA tests it supposedly ordered well over two months ago.
These tests normally take two to three weeks.
Yet Coderre continues to use that incident to justify his focus on pit bulls. And he does so despite overwhelming testimony from virtually every professional veterinarian and dog organization that a) it’s impossible to determine the breed by sight alone; and b) breed-specific bans are not effective in reducing the threat of dog bites to the public.
As The Gazette’s Lalonde wrote, “Edwards says Coderre may have assumed the public would automatically embrace anything that seemed to reduce the likelihood of another such attack. Instead, the SPCA, veterinarians’ organizations and dog lovers in general have succeeded in communicating a different message: that breed-specific bans take scarce resources away from measures that might work more effectively to reduce dog bites and attacks, and breed-specific bans target too many innocent owners and pets.”
So Coderre is a little like the dog that chases a car down the street but gets an unpleasant surprise when it sinks its teeth into the tire. Still, he’s once more barking threats to appeal the court decision and whining on his Facebook page about being misunderstood.
As Edwards notes, animal stories get a lot of traction. Coderre’s by-law targets animals that many people feel are part of their family. It casts a ridiculously vague net and treats even the gentlest animals as guilty by association with their most vicious and distant cousins, branding and hobbling them with mandatory muzzle laws and expensive permits. This political theatre may play to the anti-science, “pit bull”-fearing crowd, but as the mayor is about to discover, there’s a big difference between those two groups.
While the latter might get off their duffs to vote in a year, animal rights supporters are much more likely to knock on doors to convince their neighbours to help toss King Coderre out on his oft-bitten tush.
Montreal dog owners protest the city’s pit bull ban at Sept. 4 demonstration march. Photo by Peter Wheeland
Montreal Gazette/Oct.7
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