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The Smartphone Platform War Is Over
Statista, the Statistics Portal ^ | August 22nd, 2016 | Felix Richter

Posted on 09/05/2016 5:39:45 PM PDT by Shanghai Dan

A picture truly is worth a thousand words:



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: android; ios; smartphone
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To: ctdonath2
See/read first sentence, second paragraph @#138. ☺
141 posted on 09/06/2016 10:48:03 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ctdonath2
Btw, and the same applies to withholding $ from leftist companies like Apple.

Like taxes. Pay/contribute as little as humanly possible. Simply!

142 posted on 09/06/2016 10:51:12 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hodar

Oh, I’ve developed hardware! And it’s been all over the place...

So how were PC guys able to pull off the wide assortment of hardware and configurations yet have a single OS support them? Curious, eh? Maybe Google isn’t a dis-interested as you think, perhaps they built and extensible OS that allows for support for a variety of hardware?


143 posted on 09/06/2016 10:53:34 AM PDT by Shanghai Dan (I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat...)
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To: ctdonath2

I’ve developed my share of software (including some well-regarded FEA packages for magnetics design). Writing fairly portable code allows you to stay relatively current without having to rewrite every year or so... In fact, most things that ran on Android Honeycomb will run on the current Marshmallow as well.

So? What’s the big problem? Write with an eye towards extensibility and future optimizations and it’s not that big of a deal. Seriously, I get it - I’ve supported OS changes that big (and bigger)... Architect it right, and it’s not much of an issue.


144 posted on 09/06/2016 10:56:31 AM PDT by Shanghai Dan (I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat...)
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To: Tucker39
I tried it, and NOTHING happened. I “owned” that iphone for 24 hours; and I was one unhappy camper. NOTHING I tried, worked. So I took it back to the Verizon store and told them I couldn’t use it. THEY couldn’t change font size, either.

A blast from the past, Tucker:

Does Android Have Pinch & Zoom?
by Andrew Aarons, studioD

When making a choice about what kind of smartphone to buy, a few factors come into consideration after obvious matters like cost and carriers. The user interface for a touchscreen phone is a particularly key element. Pinch and zoom technology was first introduced by Apple on the iPhone, but it's now prevalent on all smartphones, including all Android offerings.

Apple has had it on the iPhone since the very first iPhone in 2007, well before the first Android touch screen phone. Your anecdote is trumped by facts.

145 posted on 09/06/2016 11:51:55 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Tucker39
P.S. They took the iphone back and sold me this Galaxy S-4. And it’s not just fonts. I’ve noticed that photos on an iphone are the same. What you see is what you get. You can’t enlarge them like I can on my Galaxy.

Really? Could have fooled Steve Jobs in 2007. . .


Steve Jobs demonstrating Pinch to Zoom while introducing the iPhone in 2007.

You can keep dancing around about your one experience, but we've been using our iPhones for nine years, pinching and zooming on FreeRepublic and on photos while you had one for just 24 hours and you are trying to tell us what an iPhone can and cannot do while an Android can do it, based on your limited experience, but YOU are just plain wrong.

146 posted on 09/06/2016 12:13:54 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: dragnet2

I was simply responding to your post that no company in California could possibly be more leftist than Apple.

I listed 10 companies in contention for that title. I don’t know the order. Just listing leftist California companies like Amazon and Google that could well be EVEN MORE leftist than Apple.

That was my only point. Apple actually may be #2, or #3, or #7. Who knows?


147 posted on 09/06/2016 12:45:33 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: dragnet2

I was simply responding to your post that no company in California could possibly be more leftist than Apple.

I listed 10 companies in contention for that title. I don’t know the order. Just listing leftist California companies like Amazon and Google that could well be EVEN MORE leftist than Apple.

That was my only point. Apple actually may be #2, or #3, or #7. Who knows?


148 posted on 09/06/2016 12:45:38 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: Swordmaker

I get it. However, 4 or 5 Techs at the Verizon store could not do it. And they took back an iphone and lost that sale, undid all the paperwork, and sold me a less expensive phone and did another set of paperwork. It’s mind-bending!


149 posted on 09/06/2016 1:51:00 PM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: Swordmaker

The plot thickens. The snobs at my Cigar Club, who flaunt their iphones, could not show me how to change font size on the iphone, RIGHT THERE at the Club, BEFORE I took it back and returned it for the Galaxy. I’m soon due to upgrade again.


150 posted on 09/06/2016 1:58:06 PM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: mrsmith

Apple provides access to the iCloud backups, with a Search Warrant. The iCloud is Apple property, and the data backed up on the iCloud is provided without complaint - with a Search Warrant. This is as it should be.

The iPhone, is a product designed by Apple, but belongs to the person who bought it. Think of it as your personal Diary. It contains your health information, your personal photos, your intimate details of where you were, who you talked with, how long it took to walk up a hill, what your pulse was when you walked up that hill, any pauses you took, your medications, your conversations, emails, texts, personal notes, etc. And as such, it is encrypted and locked.

Now, the State of California owned that phone, and had access to control that phone; but neglected to exercise due caution as to how to manage that phone. Then, they gave that phone to a person who was in contact with a known terrorist group, who then journeyed to a country with known terrorist cells, then married a woman with known terrorist connections, and then travelled back to the USA and flew right through Customs (not to mentoin the No-Fly List) with not a single question asked.

Then the unspeakable act happened - terrorism happened - by known terrorist agents. And who does the FBI blame? Why, Apple of course.

They demand that Apple make a hack that bypasses the security on the iPhone 5c, because the authorities utterly cluster-f’d the system that would have normally backed up any information on that phone automatically to the iCloud, where the subpeona would have gotten it easily.

The authorities changed the password on the iPhone, then forgot what they changed it to. Detective Clousou was on the case, and he was in rare form.

The FBI then demanded that Apple develop a bypass to the security, that they designed to protect ALL of thier customers, world-wide; because the authorities bungled this case utterly, and completely. And Apple said “No”. And Apple was right to say “No”.

If you want to hack the phone, use a 3rd party to get into it - you cannot “force” a company to provide a hack, that would then be available to be used on every iphone in the world, by anyone. First off, Apple is not a slave; they are a free, private, American company.

Secondly, the reason the FBI found themselves in this situation; is because of inept technical prowess of the agents. Perhaps if they would have asked Apple at the start “Hey, we want the information off the dead terrorist’s iPhone, how do we get it?” - this whole fiasco could have been prevented.

I’m not willing to surrender my privacy; because Barny Fife screwed up.


151 posted on 09/06/2016 3:34:43 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Shanghai Dan
Maybe Google isn’t a dis-interested as you think, perhaps they built and extensible OS that allows for support for a variety of hardware?

If what you alledge is true, then why is the latest Samsung Note 7, still lagging behind last years iPhone 6s in real-world benchmarks? The iPhone 7, which drops tomorrow is "rumored" to exceed the iPhone 6s by anohter 35%. The truth of the matter is when you control both the hardware and the software; you can optimize the entire user experience; plus make it more secure.

As for security, there is no question as to who is more secure. When was the latest Android security update? Apple drops them every couple months, they are dropped within weeks of an exploit beind discovered - such that there is never truly a case of an exploit in the wild that really hits the iPhone. This is not the case with Android, and has never been the case with Android. Google mines your email, and your information with Android is open to anyone who wants to look. And that information is getting more and more personal as technology gets more advanced. Consider the latest health enabled watches. It won't be long before your company can tap into your watch and see what your pulse is doing as you walk. If the company is planning a RIF, and your pulse is showing you are not doing so well going up and down those hills; who is to say that this information would not be gathered?

With iOS, we know that this is not the case. The truth is that Apple makes it a paramount condition that privacy is not negotiable. They make money on their hardware, such that they do not need to sell your personal information to get money to supplement efforts to develop software.

If you are getting a service or application for free; don't kid yourself - YOU are the product. FaceBook, Android, Gmail are selling YOU to the hightest bidder.

152 posted on 09/06/2016 3:42:55 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar

Of course it’s your right to be totally unresponsive.

I find the subject extremely important and worthy of discussion and seek people who feel likewise.


153 posted on 09/06/2016 3:47:18 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: mrsmith

Isn’t a fingerprint, “individualized encryption”?

Now, if you go to the 6 digit password and bypass using the fingerprint - aside from torture, this is nearly undefeatable. Using conventional thinking. The present design (in iPhone 5c) kept the count of attempts on external RAM; however with virtualization - you can make virtual copies of the iPhone in software and try various combinations, and as the attempts fail - the virtual iPhones lock up.

I call this “unconventional thinking”.

So, you just keep creating virtual copies of the iPhone and attempting new numbers on the virtual copies. Just requires a pretty large mainframe to make a few million virtual iPhones. Eventaully, one of those virtual iPhones will unlock. Then, you know the code - then you use that code on the actual iPhone.

But, this requires hard, physical access to the actual iPhone. It requires NOTHING from Apple, no cooperation - nothing at all. It requires no violation of the perp’s rights, no torture, drugs of violations of any sort. Just some time, money and effort.

All you need to do is have an accurate virtualization of the perp’s iPhone and iOS; which you should be able to lift from the actual iPhone.

With that said; it’s a game of cat and mouse. As an engineer, my task will be to make the game more and more difficult - with the goal of “impossible”. The opposition’s task is to find a way to make “impossible”, “possible”.


154 posted on 09/06/2016 3:59:04 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar

Obviously I referred to “individualized encryption” provided by the manufacturer of the device.
Assuming you’re not misrepresenting that intentionally...

Perhaps an example would engage you.

I retired from repairing and maintaining automated lines ten years ago. At that time we had the ability to record every part in a unit, down to it’s ser number.
You’ll remember the ‘clipper chip’ proposal- which chip would allow access to every device which had one?
Now, however, a ‘clipper chip’ (or software/firmware) that is individually accessible can be put in a device and recorded so that the manufacturer can give access to that ONE INDIVIDUAL DEVICE upon proper legal request.
The most significant extra expense is maintaining the records securely.


155 posted on 09/06/2016 4:26:54 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Hodar

Yes, the latest Note 7 is about 40% slower than the iPhone when pushing pixels. It also pushes 2.2 times as many pixels - that takes time.

On a pixel-time basis, the Note 7 is faster...

A far as security goes, I posted earlier. Both platforms have issues (only the most hard-core Apple fanatic would claim otherwise). By nature of being a more open platform, and one that is ~7 times more plentiful than iOS, it has more attack vectors put at it. Does that mean you’ll get infected? Well - I’ve been running Windows since 1991, and have had one confirmed infection in all that time. You won’t get a virus - you’ll get a trojan that fakes you out. Be smart and it’s a non-issue. But I guess if you need to have your hand held during operation then Android may not be for you.

As far as getting info from the user - Apple does as well. People forget they had iAds that was doing the same thing, and collected the same kinds of data for their own internal sales use (of course, Apple was really pretty bad at it, so they have closed it down). Apple - heck, ALL connected companies - collect data from users for their own marketing efforts - and will sell/share that as a whole when it best serves them.

Google doesn’t sell YOUR information to a particular advertising companies, they sell blocks of statistics, like “55% of our users are male; 84% who are interested in games are also interested in pizza”. You get aggregated into big groups. That’s the information you get as a consumer of Google analytics.


156 posted on 09/06/2016 4:38:49 PM PDT by Shanghai Dan (I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat...)
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To: Tucker39
The plot thickens. The snobs at my Cigar Club, who flaunt their iphones, could not show me how to change font size on the iphone, RIGHT THERE at the Club, BEFORE I took it back and returned it for the Galaxy. I’m soon due to upgrade again.

Now you are just making things up, Tucker. You are dancing. Any iPhone user could demonstrate the pinch to zoom to expand the view. . . Any one of them. You have just been caught in a lie and are trying to avoid being ridiculed. I just showed you STEVE JOBS DEMONSTRATING THAT FEATURE ON THE VERY FIRST iPHONE and you still claim it could not do it. It is inherent in the system and took Android YEARS to do it and a LAWSUIT from Apple before it became ubiquitous because Apple PATENTED IT! Give it up, Tucker, you cannot tell us something we've used every day on our Apple devices for the past nine years simply doesn't work.

Yes, it is not a "permanent" change, because the iPhone was designed to show you the entire Internet webpage as you would see it on a computer, not the crippled view and experience of a MOBILE device. You do the expansion only when you needed to see it by either pinch to zoom when you wanted it, or double tap on the text you wanted. Double tap filled the screen with the column of text. EITHER has ALWAYS worked perfectly.

I refer you again to the video above of Steve Jobs demonstrating pinch to zoom as a major new feature of the iPhone on January 9, 2007.

The first multi-touch screen Android phone was the HTC Hero, which was released in Europe in July 2009 and in the US in October of that year. It did NOT support pinch to zoom for either photos or Internet webpages or text screens. The first Android phone to support pinch to zoom was the HTC Droid Eris (Also marketed as HTC Android 6250), introduced in November 6, 2009. That was just two months short of three years after Apple demonstrated pinch to zoom in January of 2007.

I again state that FACTS trump your dancing, and now made up facturds, and more anecdotes.

157 posted on 09/06/2016 6:04:11 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Globalist/leftist companies like Apple have absolutely zero allegiance to the USA. So I simply treat them as they do us.

If I can avoid them, I will whenever possible. Just because another GD leftist company might be more leftist than Apple, does not mean I will do business with them...lol Again, this is not complex.


158 posted on 09/06/2016 6:35:56 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Swordmaker

Preach anything you like. But the fact remains; when this discussion began, you DID NOT tell me I could pinch and expand. You gave me a list of steps, to go into SETTINGS and a big ringamarole. Neither the snobs at the Club, nor the Verizon Techs could show me how. Good bye!


159 posted on 09/06/2016 6:41:03 PM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: Swordmaker
So how are Apple sales going? You seem to be their biggest salesperson.☺ Oh that's right, you're the guy who invests in that leftisty company. How about that Apple watch? What is that, a must have for gizmo geeks?


160 posted on 09/06/2016 6:42:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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