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September 1856
Harper's Magazine archives (subscription required) ^ | September 1856

Posted on 09/01/2016 4:54:37 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: henkster; Homer_J_Simpson

Not even Old Hickory, hailing from Tennessee, was willing to let South Carolina get away with nullification.


21 posted on 09/21/2016 1:12:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Old Hickory had little trouble with the idea of Postmasters destroying “inflammatory” abolitionist publications as a denial of First Amendment rights. The issue of banning the abolitionist pamphlets illustrated a federalist tension not resolved for another century.

Jackson was worried that an executive order regarding the destruction of the pamphlets would be held unconstitutional if challenged, but the alternative was to have the States pass statutes authorizing the postmasters to destroy the pamphlets. Jackson didn’t like the idea of state authority over Federal officers; bad precedent. Calhoun knew the First Amendment didn’t apply to state action, but didn’t like the idea of an executive order to the Postmasters as an infringement on his concept of State’s Rights. So in the end, for perhaps the wrong reasons, the right thing was done; Nothing.


22 posted on 09/21/2016 1:49:51 PM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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To: henkster
Interesting thought experiment. What if Jackson had sent troops to S. Carolina over nullification? Would they have been more reluctant to secede in 1860?

But then, I'm probably violating Henkster's Law.

23 posted on 09/21/2016 2:31:31 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

No violation. If pushed, Jackson would have sent troops. The reality was both sides were bluffing and looking for a way out in 1832. But the idea of disunion was on the table. As time went on, Palmettos became comfortable it.


24 posted on 09/21/2016 7:19:45 PM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Continued from September 21 (reply #28).

September 22. With Ellie to see The Rivals at Wallack’s tonight. Rather a satisfactory performance on the whole, in spite of a most un-Hibernian Sir Lucius O’Trigger and a very dreary Falkland and Julia. But for that dismal pain the author is mainly responsible. A “good comedy” well played is entertaining while it lasts, but after all, these productions, from Congreve & Co. down to Mr. Boucicault seem to me as shallow, silly, frivolous, and unreal as any compositions I know of. One can imagine comedy that should be to The Rivals or London Assurance what Pendennis and The Newcomes are to the old novels of fashionable life.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas, Abridged by Thomas J. Pressly

25 posted on 09/22/2016 6:36:06 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...

The above should say continued from reply 18, not 28.


26 posted on 09/22/2016 6:37:26 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Maybe if George had been stoned he might have enjoyed the play.


27 posted on 09/22/2016 6:54:13 AM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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To: henkster

I got the impression George doesn’t think his mind needs further expansion after his experiment with the gateway drug.


28 posted on 09/22/2016 7:27:51 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: henkster
One can imagine comedy that should be to The Rivals or London Assurance what Pendennis and The Newcomes are to the old novels of fashionable life.

One can imagine it much more easily than write it, or we'd all know the name of the great mid-century playwright George Templeton Strong.

On George's side, however, Wikipedia says that The Rivals was Sheridan's first play, and it was criticized for some weak characterizations when it came out in 1775.

29 posted on 09/22/2016 9:31:52 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The coming of a Cthulhu presidency will be heralded by a worldwide wave of madness.)
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To: colorado tanker

In a somewhat related parallel, it looks like the EU is having it’s own Nullification crisis:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3472262/posts


30 posted on 09/22/2016 10:53:03 AM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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To: henkster; colorado tanker; Homer_J_Simpson
henkster: "The reality was both sides were bluffing and looking for a way out in 1832.
But the idea of disunion was on the table.
As time went on, Palmettos became comfortable it."

In 1832 South Carolinians realized they acted alone in threatening secession.
They resolved that next time other states must go out with them.
So by the 1850 Fire Eaters worked throughout the South to promote secession.
But they were quieted somewhat by the Compromise of 1850 and elections of Democrats in 1852 (Alabama Senator King VP) & 1856 (Kentucky Senator Breckenridge VP).

Then Bleeding Kansas, Sumner's caning, John Brown & the rise of Republicans roused Fire Eaters to work again.
By 1860 they were a major political force across the Deep South.

31 posted on 09/22/2016 12:01:05 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
You know how I love the irony of history.

Fire Eaters

Yep. That's exactly what they wound up doing.

32 posted on 09/22/2016 12:06:22 PM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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To: BroJoeK; henkster; colorado tanker
Then Bleeding Kansas, Sumner's caning, John Brown & the rise of Republicans roused Fire Eaters to work again.

How did you get hold of the syllabus? I didn't release it yet.

33 posted on 09/22/2016 12:15:32 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; BroJoeK; henkster

Geez, Joe. You might as well tell him we have the answers to the final exam, too.


34 posted on 09/22/2016 1:32:33 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: henkster
The EU could have even more nullification issues if it keeps doing stuff like ordering Ireland to tax Apple more than it agreed or wants to.

It's amazing to me that after the Brexit vote the EU bureaucrats keep doing the stuff that aggravates the electorates.

35 posted on 09/22/2016 1:34:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker; henkster; BroJoeK

The salesman at Platte River Network assured me my files would be secure with them. I may have to sue.


36 posted on 09/22/2016 1:59:48 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; BroJoeK; colorado tanker

Homer, you should know better than to keep the server in the outhouse. What are you gonna do, wipe it, like with a corn cob?


37 posted on 09/22/2016 2:14:31 PM PDT by henkster (Democrats want to keep blacks on the plantation and whites on the collective farm.)
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Continued from September 22 (reply #25).

[Hamilton Fish is a former Governor of New York and U.S. Senator for New York. He is currently between government jobs. Fish and Strong are both on the Board of Trustees of Columbia College. Fish will later be a Lincoln supporter and will serve as Secretary of State in the administration of U.S. Grant, who is currently attempting to eke out a living selling firewood on the streets of St. Louis. – HJS]

September 25. Politics engross everybody’s thoughts and talk, more and more daily. Hamilton Fish has pronounced at last for Fremont, and favors mankind with an analysis of his motives and reasons that fills two columns of the Courier, and is hard reading. Unimportant, except as shewing what an ambitious commonplace man, with some experience and opportunity of observation, thinks is for his own interest. It’s significant like the diligence of spiders before rain, or the movements of various animals in anticipation of an earthquake or a hurricane. . . .

As for our Southern friends, they’re madder every day. Vide the Muscogee (Ga.) Herald on “Northern Society” as “made up of greasy mechanics and so on” not fit for a Southern gentleman’s body-servant. Also, somebody makes a grand allocution to the young men and braves assembled at a South Carolina militia muster, tells them that if somebody should “smite down the miscreant (John C. Fremont) beside the pillars of the Capitol, in case of his election, not a Southern regiment but would spring to the rescue” of the hypothetical Ravaillac.

Last night to Wallack’s again with Ellie; Old Heads and Young Hearts one of the best comedies I’ve seen. Blake as Jessie Rural excellent.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas, Abridged by Thomas J. Pressly

38 posted on 09/25/2016 5:48:39 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I wonder if Mr. Strong ever saw performances by the popular dramatic heart-throb, John Wilkes Booth, or his renowned tragedian brother Edwin Booth.


39 posted on 09/25/2016 5:57:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The coming of a Cthulhu presidency will be heralded by a worldwide waveAll my children w of madness.)
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I would be surprised if he didn't, at some point. The Booth family probably played in New York at least as often as Washington. The original editors said they cut out most of the theater critiques but hopefully any diary entries describing a Booth performance will not be edited out by either them or Thomas J. Pressly, who abridged the original.

I've been reading more of Team of Rivals lately and I just came across a section describing Lincoln's and William H. Seward's avid fandom. Edwin Booth dined at the Seward home and visited the White House, which Lincoln enjoyed immensely.

40 posted on 09/25/2016 6:11:04 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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