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Russia's A-10 Warthog: Why the Su-25 Frogfoot Is a Flying Tank
nationalinterest.org ^ | 26 Aug 2016 | Sebastien Roblin

Posted on 08/27/2016 7:24:01 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

Meet the tankbuster's mean cousin from Moscow....

However, as the Afghan rebels began to acquire Stinger missiles from the United States, Su-25s began to suffer losses and the Soviet pilots were forced to fly higher to avoid the man-portable surface-to-air missiles. In all, some fifteen Su-25s were shot down in Afghanistan before the Soviet withdrawal....

While it’s fun to admire high-performing fighters like the MiG-29 or F-22 Raptor, the unglamorous Su-25 has so far had a greater impact on a wide range of conflicts. We can draw a few lessons from its recent combat record.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: a10; forefoot; su25; warthog
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Warthogsky?
1 posted on 08/27/2016 7:24:01 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I remember reading when Erich Hartmann tried to shoot down his first Stormovik. He was surprised to see the bullets bounce off and the rear gunner almost got him.

Some of the experienced pilots told him you had to approach them from the rear and below. The Stormoviks typically flew really low just to guard against that.

I think it was the original flying tank.


2 posted on 08/27/2016 7:32:18 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: yarddog
Not as buff as the Wathog but looks like the proverbial brick fire hydrant.


3 posted on 08/27/2016 7:43:14 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Never Trump=Always hiLIARy)
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To: freedumb2003

Look at the beefed-up undercarriage on that thing. It could land on a patch of dirt (and frequently did)

It is also said to carry a toolkit for in-field service and repairs.


4 posted on 08/27/2016 7:46:34 PM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Wanna take a ride...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mx8mEGCQFY


5 posted on 08/27/2016 7:52:30 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: freedumb2003


6 posted on 08/27/2016 7:54:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: freedumb2003

Hartmann had to crash land his plane his first two times in combat. This was on the Steppes of Russia. He thought you only bailed out if both wings fell off and the plane was on fire.

He went on the shoot down 352 Russian planes confirmed and probably double that in actuality.


7 posted on 08/27/2016 7:56:58 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: gaijin

That was fun, and the comments ‘interesting’.


8 posted on 08/27/2016 8:06:49 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: freedumb2003; yarddog; coydog; gaijin

I have owned several Russian weapons - rifles and pistols of both modern and historic vintages.

I can attest to their being not necessarily “glamorous” but built with “substance.” Kind of like Timex watches - they “keep a linking and keep on ticking.”

I think it’s a preoccupation of all Russian designers.

< /johncameronswayze >


9 posted on 08/27/2016 8:08:06 PM PDT by shibumi (I am the Nexus One I want more life Muthah I ain't done *~)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

What’s interesting was that the Soviet design requirement for what became the Su-25 came out within one year of the same USAF requirement for a low-flying, highly-maneuverable, and heavily armed ground attack plane. The USAF got the A-10, and the Soviets got the Su-25. Both were designed for one mission: low altitude interdiction of armored vehicles, including tanks.


10 posted on 08/27/2016 8:12:39 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

They say that great minds think alike; so do idiots.


11 posted on 08/27/2016 8:15:08 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: freedumb2003; yarddog; coydog; gaijin

I just re-read my post #9.

I think I better quit posting for tonight.

(”Keep a linking?????”)


12 posted on 08/27/2016 8:19:11 PM PDT by shibumi (I am the Nexus One I want more life Muthah I ain't done *~)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Unlike the U.S. Air Force in the 1960s, which was enamored with the concept of “winning” nuclear wars with strategic bombers,

I just read "The Revolt of the Admirals" speaking to this topic. I am glad our ground pounders got cover in the form of the A10 and Naval aviation.

13 posted on 08/27/2016 9:06:36 PM PDT by llevrok (Lies are born the moment someone thinks the truth is dangerous.)
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To: shibumi

They never called their neat little machine pistol a Krinkov. It was the Okurok, or ‘cigarette butt’.
Bet it was a fun to fire and keep on target. Believe that was another name for it, ‘little bitch’. Can’t recall the Russian name.
I’ve read their tanks, the T34 particularly would rattle your bones.
I like AKs too.


14 posted on 08/27/2016 9:20:06 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

CAS planes have had a bigger impact on the battlefield than any other plane in history. It’s shame the US air force hates them. We should have a ground controlled cheap CAS drone for every unit out there but the air force hates the idea.


15 posted on 08/27/2016 9:32:18 PM PDT by RedWulf (Trump:Front Lines. Obama: Back Nine. Hillary:Nap Time.)
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To: UCANSEE2

That’s a lot of hard points.


16 posted on 08/27/2016 9:49:00 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: RayChuang88
"What’s interesting was that the Soviet design requirement for what became the Su-25 came out within one year of the same USAF requirement for a low-flying, highly-maneuverable, and heavily armed ground attack plane. The USAF got the A-10, and the Soviets got the Su-25. Both were designed for one mission: low altitude interdiction of armored vehicles, including tanks."

The Frogfoot is virtually a carbon copy of the losing contender of that AX competition, Northrop's YA-9. Some have accused the Soviets of stealing the design (via espionage), but I think it was just a matter of similar thinking in the design process. The Soviets just liked Northrop's design philosophy better. I always thought the Navy should have adopted the YA-9 to sea service as they did with the YF-17. They've needed a real dedicated ground pounder for years.




17 posted on 08/27/2016 10:25:12 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DUMBGRUNT

US supported the wrong side.


18 posted on 08/27/2016 10:31:01 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie ( Black's jobs matter!)
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To: RayChuang88

Actually I think the A-10 was specifically designed by the tank busting role, while the Su-25 was developed for close air support, thought there is a tank buster version.


19 posted on 08/28/2016 12:52:19 AM PDT by Jacob Kell (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American history, Obama is the yellow stain in front)
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To: shibumi

Agreed. Not refined - however, very reliable.


20 posted on 08/28/2016 3:09:40 AM PDT by indcons (Blue Lives Matter.)
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