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The F-4 Is a Great Fighter With a Bad Reputation
War is Boring ^ | June 25, 2016 | Sebastien Roblin

Posted on 06/28/2016 11:21:20 AM PDT by C19fan

The McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II is a legendary aircraft — an icon of the Vietnam War and the archetype of the third-generation jet fighter designs that entered service in the 1960s. More than 5,000 of these heavy supersonic fighters were built, and hundreds continue to serve and even see combat in several air forces today. But the Phantom’s record in air-to-air combat over Vietnam — especially when compared to its successor, the F-15 Eagle, which has never been shot down in air-to-air combat — has left it with a reputation of being a clumsy bruiser reliant on brute engine power and obsolete weapons technology.

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TOPICS: Humor; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: airplanes; aviation; f4
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To: C19fan

I debriefed a two star Marine General who flew one of our birds once. He had all kinds of upper class brass around him. He told me (corporal) he had all kinds of problems with the avionics. I think he read my mind. I figured he did good just to fly the thing and return to tell about it. I was thinking what an enormous set the man had. The corporal replied “I’ll get right on it General” and I promptly left.
VMFAT-201(Cherry Point), VMFAT-101(Yuma) 1970-1974


21 posted on 06/28/2016 12:54:32 PM PDT by OftheOhio (never could dance but always could kata - Romeo company)
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To: C19fan

As a kid I loved it when they flew low over my neighborhood in El Toro, CA.

I cannot describe how loud they were without using the f word!


22 posted on 06/28/2016 12:57:54 PM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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To: C19fan

Gigantic behemoth of a fighter.

I prefer the original F-4!


23 posted on 06/28/2016 1:03:32 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

“The only ‘advantage’ it had was brute-force speed but no gun.”

Later models had a gun.


24 posted on 06/28/2016 1:05:58 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Brick. Coke machine. I heard it was a piano.

But the point is the same.


25 posted on 06/28/2016 1:27:56 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: tet68

Nighttime ‘burner takeoffs. Fox-4s rolled sequentially in groups of three; where I was there was no jet noise until they lit off, then a tail of flame, must have been forty feet long and the ground shook until they cleared the active. Got to the horizon before the afterburners winked out. They were pounding NVA tanks near Loc Ninh. Loved what they did.

Easter Offensive, June 1972.


26 posted on 06/28/2016 1:37:04 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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To: PJammers
That's all part of their charm. ;)


27 posted on 06/28/2016 1:39:51 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: newbolt

“I flew the F-4B and the F-4J during 1967-1970.”

I was with VF-96 and worked on both models. We deployed to the Gulf of Tonkin on the USS Enterprise.


28 posted on 06/28/2016 1:48:27 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: tet68

That bird cost my hearing, or at least a significant part of it, but it was one impressive machine. Our shop placed the last F-4 left in USAF inventory on a range in Eglin. It was the end of an era.


29 posted on 06/28/2016 1:49:42 PM PDT by antidisestablishment (If those who defend our freedom do not know liberty, none of us will have either.)
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To: C19fan
History Channel HD 'Hell Over Hanoi' youtube.com
30 posted on 06/28/2016 1:52:53 PM PDT by Daaave ("AlI I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by")
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To: ODC-GIRL

Here’s more of 191st FIG F-4’s at SANGB on June 23, 1990- “The Last Scramble”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGMkQvVF0S8


31 posted on 06/28/2016 2:01:47 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: C19fan

Spent about a year (69-70) at MCAS Beaufort stripping F-4’s down to the bare frame and then putting them back together again.

A couple of manufacturing runs use a potting compound called Triple 7 (777). Looking like green baby crap, it was used to ‘pot’ every single electrical plug and socket on every piece of equipment on the plane and the engine.

Turned out that after about 5 years or so, the 777 would start to break down and became runny. But even worse, it became semi-conductive.

So every panel and piece of equipment that could come off, had to come to off, and every single electric connection on the plane had to be depotted, cleaned, and then repotted with a new compound.

Then every panel had to be rung out and signed off. At that point we put it all back together.

And then a Marine pilot with a lot of testicular fortitude had to take up on a check ride.

Good Times!


32 posted on 06/28/2016 2:06:11 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: C19fan

The emergency procedure for the F4 for
“Out of control below 10,000 feet, EJECT”

Actually it was a GREAT plane. Could dogfight, haul a crapload of bombs, all kinds of specialty pods and preform lots of different missions.


33 posted on 06/28/2016 2:10:25 PM PDT by Kozak (ALLAH AKBAR = HEIL HITLER)
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To: smokingfrog

A black smudge with an airplane at one end.


34 posted on 06/28/2016 2:22:35 PM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: tet68

Yep. Every O-6 and above in the Air Wing was deaf as a 90 year old.


35 posted on 06/28/2016 2:24:27 PM PDT by 03A3 (The reset is gonna be epic.)
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To: TalonDJ
"Later models had a gun."

About a million years ago, my brand new wife and I were traveling across Florida on State Road 60 headed for the east coast. We were just past Lake Wales at the more or less north end of the Avon Park Gunnery range when I noticed a pair of Phantoms flying low and maneuvering like they were on a roller coaster.

My wife is not an avid "window looker-outer" and had her head buried in a book.

Presently, one of the jets descended to a really low altitude and was closing on us. I think he had the gun pipper on us.

I estimate he wasn't more than a hundred feet off the deck. I had peel my wife off the head liner of the car.

36 posted on 06/28/2016 2:33:48 PM PDT by stboz
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Dogfights were thought to be a thing of the past, hence no integral gun.


37 posted on 06/28/2016 2:59:49 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: PJammers
...soot spewing...

Saw one at radar cal with "phantom shit" scratched into the soot. Had to laugh.

38 posted on 06/28/2016 3:01:43 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: equaviator

Great video! I was there that day. Have some pics with them still tailing their drag chutes. Funny, it rained for our farewell event for the F-16 alert mission in 2008 too. Weather was so bad, they could only taxi.


39 posted on 06/28/2016 3:04:09 PM PDT by ODC-GIRL (We live in interesting times)
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To: paddles
When it must absolutly die today, Call the Phantom, we love our job.
40 posted on 06/28/2016 3:18:04 PM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN, CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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