Posted on 06/24/2016 6:15:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?
In the wake of Britain’s historic vote to leave the European Union - nicknamed "Brexit" - speculation of a Texit on the horizon have cropped up once again. The secessionist movement has a long history in the Lone Star state. Delegates for the Texas Republican Party even recently debated adding secessionist language to the party's platform. But is it actually legal for Texas to leave the United States?
Simply put, the answer is no. Historical and legal precedents make it clear that Texas could not pull off a Texit - at least not legally.
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Hitler has spoken....
Hey try answering the question.
>>Texas would flourish economically with the yoke of the federal govt gone. Only an idiot fails to that.<<
How? The USA would tell the world not to accept Texas scrip. The USA would take (or just not allow Texas to use) all military materiel. The USA would close the roads and into and out of Texas. It would blockade oil shipments and shut the pipelines at the border.
On day 2, things would get really ugly.
And that is just off the top of my head.
As I said the mechanics of a succession attempt would make a great book.
>>Hitler has spoken....<<
English is not your first language is it? You can’t seem to comprehend at all.
But quick to get to Godwin’s Law, aren’t you?
And per that law, I leave you to your ignorance and fairy tales.
Can’t answer direct questions. What a coward.
“When a territory joins the US it says ‘this is now a State.’ No more, no less than any other and the history becomes legally irrelevant.”
In the ratifying conventions, do you think the majority of those who voted believed that?
Would you personally have voted to join?
This is an excellent post that cuts to the heart of the thread. Remove the turgid hand-wringing and unrestrained emotionalism and argue the facts please!
The current legal state of the argument on secession is that secession is not legal or constitutional. That is the ruling of Texas v. White. It doesn’t matter how anyone feeeeeeeeeeeeels about it - that’s the law.
As I stated in my #34 should someone wish to test that they should try a negotiated mutual secession through Congress.
Hawaii, was not a big subject in school. It was in a weekly reader once, but I don’t remember it in a history class. I have a vague memory of the application for statehood, but was in elementary school, and don’t remember much about it.
Exactly! As they just did!!
I believe the 26 states should form a permanent standing committee empowered to sue the Feds if they can get their AG’s and governors to approve each such lawsuit filed! That’s a form of secession right there! Namely, we simply are not going to lay down and do what you say anymore! Each time we feel you have violated the tenth, or any other amendment, we see you in court! Take your money and shove it.................to paraphrase Johnny Paycheck!
Exactly! As they just did!!
I believe the 26 states should form a permanent standing committee empowered to sue the Feds if they can get their AG’s and governors to approve each such lawsuit filed! That’s a form of secession right there! Namely, we simply are not going to lay down and do what you say anymore! Each time we feel you have violated the tenth, or any other amendment, we see you in court! Take your money and shove it.................to paraphrase Johnny Paycheck!
Freedumb, where you err, is in thinking that a mere LAW has supremacy over a natural RIGHT. Men have written laws throughout time that abridge other's natural rights, and it has always taken the threat of brute force to make people obey them.
The U.S. was created by agreements amongst the peoples of several sovereign states. If it is ever to disolve, it will do so by a disolution of those agreements. That is the mechanism.
As in a broken marriage, when one party has withdrawn their allegiance to the other, the marriage is over. The resultant divorce and legal activity are mere formalities. The same holds true for political unions.
No, any State, Texas included but not special, would have to forcefully secede.
This isn't the 1860s, bud. No one in this country has the stomach to sacrifice millions of lives over a purely political question.
Thank you, but I highly doubt that secession of any state would result in violence in this era.
An exception would be a scenario in which the residents of a state bear more allegiance to another country, than they do to the U.S. This could actually happen in California, if the foreign born Hispanics there achieve numerical dominance, then decide to become a state of Mexico. Under those circumstances I can see possible military action on the federal government's part.
True, old Abe did, but that certainly doesn’t mean he was correct. Of course, winners write the rules, and 150 years after no one remembers the truth.
Sorry, that’s not how the constitution works. That document is a grant of powers to a national government. If it’s not in there it’s not granted. The burden is on you to show where it’s granted. Also,read through the thread for a list of states that nevertheless specifically reserved the right to leave.
Of course it was illegal. Do you see a provision that says the national government can wage war on a state? However, winners write the rules and losers are forgotten.
And losers write the myths. Fortunately the truth is out there in abundance.
That decision is a joke. By the way, what provision of the constitution says the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what is constitutional? You can’t find it. Marshall’s opinion in Marbury is the greatest grab of power in our country’s history and it’s unfounded. Why do you think no constitutional provision was made to give the court power to enforce it’s decisions? What would your check and balance be on the Supreme Court? So your reply is wrong.
Thank you for the considerable effort you took with your reply. It saved me a lot of time when I read the responses this morning. Very well done.
Article I, Section VIII, Clause XV:
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
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