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Humanity May Be Alone In The Universe
Forbes ^ | June 21, 2016 | Ethan Siegel

Posted on 06/22/2016 12:51:26 PM PDT by Heartlander

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To: The Citizen Soldier

“The anthropic principles (from oxygen levels, to gravity, to water vapor, to the expansion of the universe) are all so fine tuned as to suggest this IS the place God chose for humanity”

Sorry, that is romantic and poetic and all, but in reality, if an evolutionist was correct, and we came into existence because of our environment, then exactly where else would you -expect- to find us?

It is an extremely self centered point of view that we require conditions “X”, so clearly everything was made as it is, solely to support us. It is just as logical to think that life that evolved in this environment would be perfectly fine tuned for this environment because it couldn’t evolve in a place that is hostile to it.

For example, we couldn’t have evolved as we did on a planet with an ammonia atmosphere, so of course we will be found on an earthlike planet.


21 posted on 06/22/2016 1:23:03 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: AFreeBird

We know for sure that there are Vulcans, Romulans and Klingons, just to name a few.


22 posted on 06/22/2016 1:25:30 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Heartlander
Back to the Fermi Paradox. Where are they?

With current technology, we could populate the galaxy in a few centuries. Slower-than-light ships establishing colonies on any habitable worlds they find, with colonies then sending out more ships as they reached the required level of technology, and so on.

If there are other intelligent species out there, they could do the same.

So far we haven't seen any of them.

23 posted on 06/22/2016 1:26:03 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (,)
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To: SpinnerWebb

Yeah, Starman, ET, Contact, 2001, Close Encounters, there are plenty of movies about peaceful aliens. It just takes great writing and directing to make them interesting, but any idiot can make an alien invasion spectacle at least halfway entertaining.


24 posted on 06/22/2016 1:28:13 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: allendale
See - Unique Solar System --- Rare Earth --- and Prebiotic Chemistry (problem of life's origin)…
25 posted on 06/22/2016 1:29:14 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Yeahhhh,,,, no. With existing technology we could not populate the milky way galaxy in a few centuries.

IF you have a speed of light spaceship, you will need around 1200 centuries to cross the Milky Way. And we milky wayans are living in one relatively small galaxy.
There are about 100 Billion other galaxies in the observable universe.

Yes, they are out there, and no, we will never find them.


26 posted on 06/22/2016 1:34:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Heartlander

It’s so very lonely.


27 posted on 06/22/2016 1:36:01 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG

Billions walk the earth and you’re lonely???


28 posted on 06/22/2016 1:37:40 PM PDT by Arrian (How predictab)
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To: econjack

That argument only works if you can establish that there is at least a remote possibility that life can spontaneously spring from non-life, which science has never been able to establish.


29 posted on 06/22/2016 1:39:29 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Heartlander

What a huge waste of space it would be if it were so


30 posted on 06/22/2016 1:39:48 PM PDT by clamper1797 (We are getting close to the last "box")
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To: Arrian

Your people I do not understand, and you’ll never hear surf music again.


31 posted on 06/22/2016 1:44:11 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: DesertRhino

“But if you think the human race and all the life on earth evolved because of our conditions here, then it has done it hundreds of thousands, or even millions of times.”

Nonsense. Evolution doesn’t deal with the problem of where life came from, only what happens to life once it already exists. What you are speaking of is the notion of abiogenesis (life arising from non-living materials), which is not a scientifically established idea, but mere speculation at this point.


32 posted on 06/22/2016 1:44:26 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Heartlander

The peaceful loving aliens never formed a government. So no need to invade or explore very far. The aliens with governments however eventually kill themselves off. Our clock is running.


33 posted on 06/22/2016 1:47:05 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: allendale

Those signal monitoring aliens will show up one day and demand us to “Bring back Firefly!”


34 posted on 06/22/2016 1:47:43 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: clamper1797
Cosmic Eye (Scale of the Universe)
35 posted on 06/22/2016 1:48:09 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: SubMareener
Too literal for me. For example:

“A thousand years in Your sight are as but yesterday”

is probably no different than me saying: "My son grew up in a blink of an eye." People know what I mean, but don't take it literally.

36 posted on 06/22/2016 1:49:36 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Some of the theories that might be solutions:

Something notices when a race start moving around and sterilizes the area with a directed gamma ray burst/or killer robots. This is the berserker scenario.

They invariably fall into a virtual reality hole and never care about climbing out.

The drive to explore is actually a very rare trait among sapient life. So no one explores.

Once you get have tech to make reproducing probes you want them to be very quiet as well or maybe not even send them, because you don’t want to attract notice.

Freegards


37 posted on 06/22/2016 1:49:43 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Boogieman

Exactly! Richard Dawkins makes the same point.


38 posted on 06/22/2016 1:49:44 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: DesertRhino
Not a religious arguement - Unique Solar System --- Rare Earth --- and Prebiotic Chemistry (problem of life's origin)…
39 posted on 06/22/2016 1:50:56 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Heartlander

I am sure there is intelligent life in the universe, it just doesn’t want to come here anymore.


40 posted on 06/22/2016 1:53:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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