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(from April 22, 2016) Some fairy tales may be 6000 years old
sciencemag.org ^ | April 22, 2016 | David Shultz

Posted on 06/09/2016 4:55:27 PM PDT by SteveH

When it comes to the origin of Western fairy tales, the 19th century Brothers Grimm get a lot of the credit. Few scholars believe the Grimms were actually responsible for creating the tales, but academics probably didn’t realize how old many of these stories really are. A new study, which treats these fables like an evolving species, finds that some may have originated as long as 6000 years ago.

The basis for the new study, published in Royal Society Open Science, is a massive online repository of more than 2000 distinct tales from different Indo-European cultures known as the Aarne–Thompson–Uther Index, which was compiled in 2004. Although not all researchers agree on the specifics, all modern Indo-European cultures (encompassing all of Europe and much of Asia) descended from the Proto-Indo-European people who lived during the Neolithic Period (10,200 B.C.E.–2000 B.C.E.) in Eastern Europe. Much of the world’s modern language is thought to have evolved from them.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: epigraphyandlanguage; fairytales; godsgravesglyphs; indoeuropean; neolithic; protoindoeuropean
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1 posted on 06/09/2016 4:55:27 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH

Like bigger and bigger government with more and more regulations and higher and higher taxes can solve problems


2 posted on 06/09/2016 4:58:14 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SteveH

It seems to me that most of the ancient Greek myths were basically fairy tales. They often used Gods and Goddesses but still basically the same thing.


3 posted on 06/09/2016 5:01:08 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: SteveH

Some of these folktales exist in variations in almost every culture on the planet, which are pretty good evidence for a very ancient origin. Most people have heard about universal myths like the flood stories, but folk tales and fairy stories are sometimes just as universal and don’t get as much attention. For example, the “bogey man” story, when we tell children a bad man will come and snatch them up at night if they don’t obey their parents/do their chores/etc, is found in some form in almost every culture.

Of course the “bogey man” has different names, and there are all sorts of embellishments to the story, but if you told the basic story to an African villager, or an Aborigine, or a Mongolian, they would all recognize the tale.


4 posted on 06/09/2016 5:09:10 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SteveH

They don’t use original Grimm stories. In Cinderella, the two step-sister’s eyes are put out by doves as they are led away to the palace dungeon.


5 posted on 06/09/2016 5:12:14 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: SteveH

Oldest fairy tale: “you will be like God”.


6 posted on 06/09/2016 5:12:58 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Nation States seem to be ending. The follow-on should not be Globalism, but Localism.)
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To: SteveH

Interesting. Thanks for the post.


7 posted on 06/09/2016 5:14:24 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: SteveH

They told stories about homosexuals way back then?


8 posted on 06/09/2016 5:15:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SteveH

This article is a complete lie.

Many of the world’s favorite fairly tales were created in the U.S. By Walt Disney himself!

Nice try.


9 posted on 06/09/2016 5:18:48 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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Who created the fairy tale that Hillary Clinton actually accomplished something while serving as First Lady, Senator and Secretary of State?


10 posted on 06/09/2016 5:23:48 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

Whomever took the biggest hit of weed and LSD at the NY Times.


11 posted on 06/09/2016 5:24:59 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: SteveH

Saved for reading.

Always fascinated by fairy tales. They are primal and based on dreams and of coming of age. There are girls’ fairy tales and boys’ the difference being the elements

Many good movies are fairy tales. Literal translations or just in their elements

Princess bride is a Fairy tale It is a boys’ fairy tale regardless of the title. Ditto lion king and beauty and the beast. It’s why you.catch dads enjoying them

The grimms used the newly invented press (Guttenberg) to publish age old oral tales, which exist in cultures all over the world.

Well it’s a great topic


12 posted on 06/09/2016 5:25:59 PM PDT by stanne
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To: yarddog

My thinking is that superhero stories are influenced by Greek, Roman and Norse myths


13 posted on 06/09/2016 5:27:41 PM PDT by stanne
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To: SteveH

Another old fairy tale, “Socialism works”


14 posted on 06/09/2016 5:28:00 PM PDT by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

No. That’s a biblical tale it’s not a redemptive. Oming of age story. It’s actually a tragedy fairy tales have villains and evil even tragedy within but they are not tragedies. We equate them with lies but they are based on universal truths Good is good evil is bad


15 posted on 06/09/2016 5:31:10 PM PDT by stanne
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To: SteveH
B.C.E.

I despise that.

16 posted on 06/09/2016 5:35:35 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: stanne

Well, I meant it in a light-hearted way, as the colloquial expression of “fairy tale” meaning something completely untrue. The serpent introduces falsehood into the world.


17 posted on 06/09/2016 5:40:16 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Nation States seem to be ending. The follow-on should not be Globalism, but Localism.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


18 posted on 06/09/2016 5:43:27 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: VanDeKoik

I’d guess that there is no shortage of Fairies at the NYT.


19 posted on 06/09/2016 5:45:55 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Boogieman

or a Mongolian, they would all recognize the tale.


When I was in Mongolia, I said “I need to see a man about a horse.” They knew exactly what I meant but in their version, you just go see the horse.


20 posted on 06/09/2016 5:47:46 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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