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Hawaii Official Who Died After Crash Wore Infant Life Vest
AssociatedPress ^ | May 5, 2016, 8:31 PM ET | Jennifer Sinco Kelleher

Posted on 05/06/2016 9:57:00 PM PDT by LucyT

Hawaii's former health director who died after a plane she was traveling in crashed into the ocean was wearing an infant life vest and the pilot didn't give a safety briefing before takeoff, according to details in a National Transportation Safety Board report.

An autopsy determined Loretta Fuddy died of an irregular heartbeat from hyperventilating after she exited the plane, which landed in choppy water off the island of Molokai. The pilot and seven other passengers on the 2013 Makani Kai Air flight survived.

Pilot Clyde Kawasaki reported to the NTSB that he heard a loud bang, followed by an immediate loss of engine power soon after the single-engine Cessna took off from Molokai, headed for Honolulu.

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TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister; Conspiracy; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: butterdezillion; conspiracy; fuddy; getreal; jakartacide; lol; makanikaiair; nairobicide; naturalborncitizen; ntsb; obamacolb; planecrash; rx; seriesly; tinfoilhat; zot
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To: Fred Nerks

The blue helmet got donated to the united nations and is now being used by some poor schlub in a third world country.


361 posted on 08/24/2016 3:30:58 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: 4Zoltan

Yep.

Good pics!


362 posted on 08/24/2016 3:31:42 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: WildHighlander57
LOL!


363 posted on 08/24/2016 3:36:17 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)
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To: Fred Nerks

Im guessing the timing is not right yet


364 posted on 08/24/2016 5:43:21 PM PDT by rodguy911
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To: WildHighlander57; butterdezillion; rx; Fred Nerks
Here is the first appearance of "the hand". Leg with white tennis shoes is Jake. Both his seat and Hollstein's seat are shown in the video to be empty. No "manikin" in either. The hand appears to be attached to the two legs wearing dark colored pants.

Another image slightly brightened up to better show the shoe and pant leg of the person (Yamamoto) with "the hand".

Hollstein and Jake moved to the left to open the door. Jake is not carrying anything as he exits the plane. The 'manikin' if it existed would still be in the plane.

365 posted on 08/24/2016 6:17:31 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

We don’t see all the way to the other end of the neckrest and the other blue cap (the taller blue cap, with reddish hair at the nape and no ponytail or straight black hair to be seen anywhere) was on the other side of the neckrest. So that image tells us nothing.

All it takes is one photo showing both Jake and this other blue cap at the same time, and rx posted that.


366 posted on 08/24/2016 6:21:14 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Posted it where?


367 posted on 08/24/2016 6:22:37 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan; Fred Nerks

If Jake was scooting his butt over in the seat (which would be necessary for him to be sitting straight up when “his” blue hat shows on the window side of the neckrest) then why don’t we see his head above the neckrest as he scoots over?

What you’ve posted shows that he did NOT scoot over, as is necessary for the scenario you guys are relying on.

The absence of a mannequin at any point means nothing, since a mannequin could easily have been leaned forward in the seat so it wouldn’t show over the back of the seat - and brought upright at any point, especially if being prepared to carry it out.

But if there is a photo showing Jake on one side of the neckrest at the same time as the blue cap is on the other side, that destroys your hypothetical scenario. What say you to the image that rx posted which claims to do just that?

And on all these photos what you guys are overlooking is that black head of hair that shows under Jake’s hat every time. Except when it’s a different-shaped blue hat on the other side of the seat after Jake did NOT scoot over... in which case it is reddish hair at the nape.

And the best anybody can do is say that the NTSB mis-labeled the lifejacket as being Fuddy’s? Keep in mind that the USCG said they cut that lifejacket away from Fuddy, and that is the only lifejacket that is cut.


368 posted on 08/24/2016 6:55:41 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: rx; 4Zoltan; WildHighlander; butterdezillion
Look really closely now...

I did. See how close to the aircraft she still is? Her mouth is open, her eyes are closed. She's either unconscious or already dead. And the reason she's shown floating prone, with her knees up and her shoes above water, is that she's well and truly dead.

369 posted on 08/24/2016 7:48:13 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)
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To: 4Zoltan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3428362/posts?page=298#298


370 posted on 08/24/2016 7:57:21 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Fred Nerks; rx

That doesn’t fit the story at all. Are you saying those people all lied?

Where she allegedly died is irrelevant to the problem at hand, though. The USCG says they cut away a lifejacket from her, and the NTSB says that the cut lifejacket the USCG provided to them had a CO2 cartridge that was still intact. As you see in that photo - which is what rx asked everybody to look closely at - both chambers of Fuddy’s lifejacket are inflated. IOW, both CO2 cartridges were punctured. How, then, could one of them still be intact when the USCG recovered her body? You can’t un-pop a balloon, and you can’t un-puncture a CO2 cartridge.


371 posted on 08/24/2016 7:57:25 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; Fred Nerks
"scooting his butt over in the seat"

He doesn't have to scoot over, the seats are too narrow to do much scooting. You honestly believe that a full size man and a life size manikin were sitting in that seat?

We can't see him move because the top of the seat is outside the frame for too long. Maybe he leaned over to look out the window.

"What say you to the image that rx posted which claims to do just that?"

Where is it posted?

372 posted on 08/24/2016 7:57:58 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

He’d have to scoot over to be seated straight up with his head on the window side of the neckrest. If he simply leaned over, as you suggested, his head would have been at an angle, not sitting straight up.


373 posted on 08/24/2016 8:08:06 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

The image labeled 1 is not two heads. It’s one head (Jake’s) and sunlight on the back of the top of the seat.


374 posted on 08/24/2016 8:08:36 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: rx; butterdezillion; 4Zoltan; WildHighlander57
LIFE JACKETS IMAGE SOURCE

That shot of Fuddy was taken from some twenty feet away. This shot above of actual life jackets from this event, taken from perhaps an average of 7' away has two infant life jackets in the middle surrounded by five adult life jackets. Very few people would have been able to recognize those ones in the middle were infant life jackets, because they don't look all that different in size, do they? But the key is, when they're inflated, they take on a distinctive shape. And that is truly hard to miss, try as you might, 4Zoltan!

If Fuddy was wearing a fully inflated adult jacket in that top image, then I imagine the jacket that was cut from her is either mislabelled or missing. There were NINE. The pilot apparently didn't have one? That leaves EIGHT. There are three jackets without any names. The image shows a total of SEVEN. There must be one jacket missing. It's elementary my dear Watson, the missing jacket has to be an adult jacket that was cut from the wearer.

Where is it?

375 posted on 08/24/2016 8:14:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)
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To: butterdezillion

No I’m not saying anything that relates to what anyone may or may not have said.

I’m looking at a photo. To me, she looks unconscious.


376 posted on 08/24/2016 8:18:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)
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To: 4Zoltan

You ever hold a kid in your lap?


377 posted on 08/24/2016 8:23:50 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

It wouldn’t be kid-size but a life size adult manikin.

You ever sit in an airplane seat?


378 posted on 08/24/2016 8:30:55 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Fred Nerks

IMO, Fuddy is wearing the same size jacket as Hollstein in the image with the black arrow and the not equal sign.


379 posted on 08/24/2016 8:34:17 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

No, you got it all wrong, she was wearing an adult life vest and the fact that they cut an ‘infant’ life vest off her was because she was swapped for a dummy.
Or something.

I’m just about ready to chuck it in. I’m reminded of the story about the man who convinced his wife she was shrinking. It turned out he had been cutting a little off her chair every day.


380 posted on 08/24/2016 8:45:46 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair Dinkum)
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