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May 1856
amazon.com | 2004, 1926, 1995 | Nicole Etcheson, Carl Sandburg, David Herbert Donald

Posted on 05/01/2016 7:27:57 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: EternalVigilance; henkster; Homer_J_Simpson
BJK: "And Homer, let’s head for Havana, I need a vacation."

Homer, please cancel those Havana tickets, I was just in Cuba (Missouri), had a nice break, a short rest, and then back to work.
No need to go further...

;-)

61 posted on 05/20/2016 5:48:41 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

62 posted on 05/21/2016 7:06:38 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Fascinating.


63 posted on 05/21/2016 8:23:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Wow......


64 posted on 05/21/2016 9:20:29 AM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"Circulating false reports of Atchison's intemperence was only part of the free-state propaganda war...
...The recently escaped Reeder joined the Republican propaganda effort..."

Say what?
False reports?
Propaganda war?
In politics, even in 1856?

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to find that politics was going on here, between Democrats & Republicans.

;-)

65 posted on 05/21/2016 10:59:07 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

66 posted on 05/24/2016 5:01:58 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
The Chicopee, Mass. Weekly Journal
Saturday, May 24, 1856

A Fearful Adventure – 1
To the People of Massachusetts – 2
The Week [Assault on Sen. Sumner] – 2
Chicopee News – 2

Link to Chicopee Weekly Journal

Either the Chicopee Weekly Journal didn’t publish on May 31, 1856 or the Chicopee Public Library didn’t get a copy of it for their archives. Either way, this does it for May.

67 posted on 05/24/2016 5:06:35 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Ballots are better than bullets. John Brown is a study in what happens when men despair of obtaining justice via an ordered, peaceful political system.


68 posted on 05/24/2016 6:14:47 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

One could say that the War commenced with the attack on Mr. Sumner, not with the attack on Fort Sumter.


69 posted on 05/24/2016 6:32:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
It's interesting to see Osawatomie referred to as in Southeastern Kansas; I think of it as East Central.

After Kansas admission, the state mental hospital was placed there. I doubt that was because Pottawatomie Brown once lived there; the Free Staters didn't think he was crazy. Probably more because it was an early Free State settlement.

70 posted on 05/24/2016 11:04:40 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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Continued from yesterday (reply #66).

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. Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

71 posted on 05/25/2016 4:53:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: EternalVigilance
EternalVigilance: "One could say that the War commenced with the attack on Mr. Sumner, not with the attack on Fort Sumter."

But one should not, unless one is using the word "war" in a metaphorical sense, as in "war on women", or "war on poverty", "war on belly-fat", etc.
Insurrection, rebellion, domestic violence, lawlessness, vigilantism, etc... sure.
But strictly, war is an action between sovereign states, and is often officially declared as such.

Imho, that's the reason why the Confederacy on May 6, 1861 formally declared war on the United States, or in their own language, "recognized" that war existed.
Formally declaring war is the act of an independent state, intended to distinguish itself from accusations of being mere "rebellion" or "insurrection".
Rebels don't declare war, and neither do states formally declare war on rebellions.
But states do declare war on each other, hence the Confederacy's action of May 6, 1861.

The United States officially treated it all as rebellion, and never formally declared war.

72 posted on 05/25/2016 6:30:46 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Well, be that as it may, I’m betting the Senator felt that war had been declared and enacted upon him.

And this particular outrage certainly had a significant effect on later events.


73 posted on 05/25/2016 6:49:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Today we might use the term “hate crime” to describe that caning.
But we would be reluctant to use the word “war” just as we don’t always use the phrase “war on terror.”
Our Democrat administration prefers to call it “kinetic overseas contingency operations.”

But more to the point, that good senator was far from the first to receive a slave - holder’s caning.
It was never considered an act of “war”, just the normal discipline of masters for their “property”.


74 posted on 05/25/2016 1:54:07 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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David Herbert Donald, Lincoln

75 posted on 05/29/2016 7:17:57 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Here is Carl Sandburg’s take on the same event.

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Carl Sandburg, Abraham Lincoln: The Prairie Years, Volume II

76 posted on 05/29/2016 7:22:31 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"I read once in a law book, 'a slave is a human being who is legally not a person but a thing.' And if the safeguards to liberty are broken down, as is now attempted, when they have made slaves of all the free negroes, how long, think you, before they will begin to make things of poor white men?"

Since our nation's governmental elites have made things of more than sixty million innocent, helpless, defenseless little boys and girls in their mothers' wombs, how long until they make things of all of us?

77 posted on 05/29/2016 1:34:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: colorado tanker; henkster; EternalVigilance
It's interesting to see Osawatomie referred to as in Southeastern Kansas; I think of it as East Central.

I've been trying to nail down my family history in KS to see if any of my forebears were involved in this part of our history. My great-great grandfather was born in Stark Co. OH in 1818 and died in La Cygne KS in 1886. That is close to the MO state line. His son, my great grandfather, was born in Davis IN in 1852 and died in Adrian MO in 1928. That is just a short distance from La Cygne KS. With those dates and the fact that La Cygne was not founded until the railroad was established there in 1869 I suspect that the Simpsons, er, Deardorffs didn't arrive in the area until after the Civil War.

78 posted on 06/05/2016 5:55:39 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

My family were real latecomers, my Mom and Dad moving to Kansas from Indiana. Things had long since calmed down with Missouri. I remember watching Diamonds Are Forever in KCMO and when Blofeld told Bond he could demonstrate his weapon but it was over Kansas and no one would notice the Missouri folks thought that was pretty funny. A long way from 1856 when Kansas dominated national headlines.


79 posted on 06/06/2016 2:07:47 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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Someone in Topeka told me a few years ago that more Kansas pioneers came from Indiana than any other state. I always found that very interesting.


80 posted on 06/13/2016 6:19:38 AM PDT by rdl6989
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