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FEBRUARY 3, 2016 | KNARF

Posted on 02/03/2016 1:41:00 AM PST by knarf

Ted Cruz is proof that evangelicals will swarm to the candidate that says moderately correct religious stuff and completely ignore the various ways in which the candidate will either expand the state or otherwise keep the status quo. Rhetoric is more important to the conservative Christian base than anything, and said rhetoric is the very thing that blinds them to the statist trends of the GOP.


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: cruz; evangelical
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To: knarf
I totally understand that, and I agree with it. We should have a Congress/government with no re-elections.

HOWEVER, we also need to work in the present day. We need to work incrementally (as you said in an earlier post). Go more conservative, limit government, repeal laws. shrink the budget.

Then go back to the way it was meant once it becomes a workable government again.

81 posted on 02/03/2016 6:24:35 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: knarf

Congrats on the reelection, much common sense in your words. The big news here in Michigan today is a new bill to bring back constitutional carry of a concelled handgun. One of my long term battles. Republican house, senate, and governer. We should get it done.


82 posted on 02/03/2016 6:33:58 AM PST by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: knarf
"Trump isn't even hinting at amnesty." He has recently modified his original position which placed him in the limelight. Trump hinted that some illegal immigrants might be given some rights while avoiding the word "amnesty".

"We're a long way from a smaller more efficient government ... go visit the DMV" By your reasoning we as a country should abandon efforts to control our uncontrolled budget deficits. All journeys start a long distance from their destinations.

83 posted on 02/03/2016 7:00:29 AM PST by monocle
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To: ShadowAce
All that takes the time we've wasted, or neglected or were just not strong/powerful enough

We're out of THAT kind of time and whatever we do ... it'll tick SOMEone off ... and probably our best FRiends

84 posted on 02/03/2016 7:08:05 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: exnavy
I just read a funny meme on my FB

"I can't wait until we're all in nursing homes
writing graffiti on the bathroom walls about the staff
in cursive
so they can't read it"

85 posted on 02/03/2016 7:10:16 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Good one.


86 posted on 02/03/2016 7:14:42 AM PST by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: monocle
We're in a people game now ... not a policy game

People have to go ... and policy's already in existence .. cancelled


older people should be retired out of McDonald's because they have a sufficient Medicare... and young people should be there learning to show up and do work.


There is SO much (imo) that we haven't done (for whatever reason), that we are forced to do now

It is what it is

87 posted on 02/03/2016 7:14:51 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Stupid me I always thought one would make a rational decision on throwing one’s support to candidate based on his or her’s philosophy, principles and character. I guess I’ll have to train myself to recognize that many people act based on their emotions.


88 posted on 02/03/2016 7:34:59 AM PST by monocle
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To: knarf

The US population sure isnt, witness the people who want a womanizing billionaire whose wife posed for lesbian softporn, endorsed by a Christian university...

and he is called a conservative for the first time in his life, and the people applaud this immoral man.

Even so, Come Lord Jesus...


89 posted on 02/03/2016 8:09:16 AM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: niteowl77

That’s good.


90 posted on 02/03/2016 8:19:55 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: woofie

Trump is more statist than the libertarians, but Cruz is globalist. New World Order. I’ll stick with America.


91 posted on 02/03/2016 8:49:44 AM PST by firebrand
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To: monocle
Were you prescient enough to warn conservatives?

No, as I was not a longtime friend of John Roberts. At the time of the appointment of John Roberts, Ted Cruz was a personal friend of John Roberts. He wrote a strongly positive piece about him emphasizing their personal friendship and knowledge.

"As a jurist, Judge Roberts's approach will be that of his entire career: carefully, faithfully applying the Constitution and legal precedent. ... The Senate should confirm him swiftly," Cruz wrote at the time.

92 posted on 02/03/2016 9:19:18 AM PST by sockmonkey (Donald Trump will ban auto-correct with an Executive Order. Go Trump!)
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To: sockmonkey
Your use of circular logic is truly a masterpiece. You criticize Cruz and then cite him as proof.

I assume you are so infallible that you have never misjudged an individual. In my life, which is approaching four score years, I have misjudged many people both positively and negatively. Human nature is so complex that even a ouija board will give occasional erroneous answers.

93 posted on 02/03/2016 9:45:46 AM PST by monocle
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To: knarf

I’ll have to remember that one.


94 posted on 02/03/2016 9:47:30 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: monocle
"Human nature is so complex that even a ouija board will give occasional erroneous answers."

That's pretty good reasoning for my support of Trump ... If he's a bull in a china shop, best thing you can do is close the door and let him wreck everything and start from scratch ... a milder, tamer animal in the same shop has to be constantly monitored and maneuvered and promissory notes given to the owner for damages that .... well ... the owner may never get paid anyway

95 posted on 02/03/2016 10:17:29 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

How one gets to your conclusion of a bull in a china shop to my take on human nature is beyond me.


96 posted on 02/03/2016 10:39:11 AM PST by monocle
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To: monocle
I don't think Trump fits into any mold we're familiar with today

I think he is one of those ouija board enigma's ... part patriot, part businessman, part Conservative, part Capitalist, part Free market, part bully, part clever manager ... and on and on

THAT was my reference point for my comment


I can't remember a single Presidential candidate , good, bad or indifferent ... that hasn't had SOMETHING "found out" later on down the road

My bull comparison is simply ... Trump has made me wince about a half a dozen times (the latest .. the re-vote for Iowa) that makes me want to slap him ....

But I remember MY sales manager instructing and directing us in ways that, at the time, seemed stupid ... until I started selling more using his direction

Politics is sales ... plain and very simple, and men looking for a company to work for, look for the numbers and the success

I believe Trump can deliver the wall ... and his Presidency after that will be a cake walk

I WANT to believe that we will oust the dems and the RINO's to give him a chance at his advisors giving us Supreme Justice candidates that the veto proof Senate will approve ... and I want to believe Trump will nominate Successful American ... rather than politically correct American ... psychologies to those ... and other positions

The scripture states ... As a man thinketh, so is he

I think Trump is practiced with facing opposition and winning .. AND ... I think he has come out with less than a win but an overall good for the company ... in this case ... The USA

Like a bull in a china shop

97 posted on 02/03/2016 11:18:24 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

OK. I don’t. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. It has to do with survival. In this regard, I have no faith in trump whatsoever. he is a self-interested businessman with no interest in or sensitivity to the nuances of Constitutional self-government. In this I stand 100% with Ben Sasse’s recent definition of a Conservative. Trump is not one.


98 posted on 02/03/2016 11:29:53 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

I appreciate your reply ... thank you


99 posted on 02/03/2016 11:39:49 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: RaceBannon

his voting record matches his talk
_______________________________________________

For TPA
For the Corker bill

Thanks for making my argument against Cruz.


100 posted on 02/03/2016 11:48:55 AM PST by Amntn ("The only special interest not being served by our government is the American people" - Donald Trump)
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