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FEBRUARY 3, 2016 | KNARF

Posted on 02/03/2016 1:41:00 AM PST by knarf

Ted Cruz is proof that evangelicals will swarm to the candidate that says moderately correct religious stuff and completely ignore the various ways in which the candidate will either expand the state or otherwise keep the status quo. Rhetoric is more important to the conservative Christian base than anything, and said rhetoric is the very thing that blinds them to the statist trends of the GOP.


TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: cruz; evangelical
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To: 1rudeboy
And I want to believe Trump will be forced by his ego to live up to his promise(s) and the traditional factory (steel?) jobs will come back to the steel belt ... and all the manufacturing entities that will be supported by it and in likelihood, support the steel industry (for example)
21 posted on 02/03/2016 2:53:54 AM PST by knarf
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To: GeronL

Those points you just made help to explain that Trump is not a conservative, and that his natural instincts to solve problems in a America will be to grow the government. His temperament, his values, and gut reactions are all Liberal.


22 posted on 02/03/2016 2:54:49 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution. Go Cruz.)
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To: knarf

Yet your problem appears to be with evangelicals. Hmmm.


23 posted on 02/03/2016 2:54:56 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: knarf
Trump is a bull in a china closet and that's what I want

IOWs 100% emotionally charged rhetoric beats the guy who has a history of actual policy positions and also professes his faith which might affect some of the voters who share his faith.

24 posted on 02/03/2016 2:58:25 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: RaceBannon
Cruz IS real ... and I've struggled with my own Christian world view about this ... believe me ... it is not easy

I can eat crow ... I use lemon pepper .... if Cruz shows momentum ..... I just don't see the US population as Christian as I want to be ...

Just as we don't see the US population as Conservative as we would want to be

The enemy has been working diligently .... incrementally for a long time ... and we have not been very effective in discipling our friends and neighbors and that's the truth.

25 posted on 02/03/2016 2:58:26 AM PST by knarf
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Bumping this hilarious thread for later because, yeah, Ted Cruz's supporters are the blind ones. Sure.
26 posted on 02/03/2016 2:59:32 AM PST by TXBlair (We will not forget Benghazi.)
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To: knarf
And I want to believe Trump will be forced by his ego to live up to his promise(s)...

It's good to have faith in something! lol

27 posted on 02/03/2016 2:59:55 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: knarf
I'm too old to wait for politicians to relate to their esteemed colleague on the other side of the aisle and actually do things MY way ...It's my aisle ... at least for a while ... and I want something done

What is it you want done? Show me an example of how Trump, with all his bombast and power, has actually tried to reduce the power of the federal govt that WASN'T tied his making a profit?

Remember Cruz filibustering for 24 hours? How he actually, as a member of the federal govt, tried to reduce it?

Now, picture the two as president. Which one has already tried to do what conservatives demand?

28 posted on 02/03/2016 3:05:06 AM PST by raybbr (That progressive bumpers sticker on your car might just as well say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: 1rudeboy
Your analysis of me is skewed

You should know me by now and all I'm saying is ....

If Cruz cannot garner a majority, all our conversation about who's Christian, Evangelical and all the tributarial etcetera's are meaningless

Because we want a President that will get things done and I believe Trump is the best man to get things done

He'll have his advisors, so he'll be held to some check ... but I believe he really loves America (He's sure had a lot of successful fun in our sandbox ... and there's no reason to think he's so idealistic to think he's the end all) ... but I think he sees the writing on the wall .... So he's running for President to protect his investment ...

Which any successful business man will fight to the death to defend.

29 posted on 02/03/2016 3:05:34 AM PST by knarf
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To: raybbr

Yes ... a noble effort


30 posted on 02/03/2016 3:06:23 AM PST by knarf
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To: TigersEye
Just as OURS has affected some of the voters WE know ?
31 posted on 02/03/2016 3:07:29 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf; Mark17

ping


32 posted on 02/03/2016 3:08:01 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf
Your analysis of me is skewed

My analysis of you is based on your very first post. The "steel industry" stuff just enlightened it a little bit.

33 posted on 02/03/2016 3:09:42 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: knarf
Just as OURS has affected some of the voters WE know ?

I have no idea how that addresses what I said. Neither of us is running for office. At least I'm not.

34 posted on 02/03/2016 3:10:07 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: 1rudeboy

How do you tie my comments about the steel industry to having a problem with Evangelicals ?


35 posted on 02/03/2016 3:11:06 AM PST by knarf
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To: TigersEye
No, but you say Cruz might affect voters by HIS faith ....

We, as an American electorate aught to be able to synch ourselves WITH him and expect a more Christianized electorate .... enough to win a nation ... and I don't see it happening

I know for a fact, many Christians (I talk to in my area) LIKE Cruz, but believe Trump will get more accomplished

They're as conflicted as a LOT of Christians about what to do this november

All we know is ... and I have YET to hear anyone say, "We'll get it next time if we don't get it this time"

Trump can get saved .... just like I was pulled up out of the gutter imn '81

I didn't speak well then ... nor did I have all my thoughts aligned scripturally ... BUT I WANTED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND DID ALL THE THINGS THAT LED ME TO A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH DAD, (ABBA)

36 posted on 02/03/2016 3:19:41 AM PST by knarf
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To: knarf
Apart from them being on the same thread? And your admission that you don't mind discussing it?

I'm figuring that someone who is casting-about trying to blame evangelicals for his "issues" (including the steel industry) isn't very well-equipped to discuss either. I'll just chalk it off as you are not thinking very clearly. It is early, for some folks.

37 posted on 02/03/2016 3:24:57 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: knarf
It seems everyone wants something done damn the costs of both money and principle. Are you willing to accept any legislation on immigration no matter what its impact both financially and socially? There are times when it is best to do nothing.

Another issue that has received the attention it should is the impending turnover on the Supreme Court. In long run the makeup of the Supreme Court may the most important event for a generation. Which of all the candidates in both parties would you trust select the best nominees to the Supreme Court?

38 posted on 02/03/2016 3:26:38 AM PST by monocle
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To: knarf

If Trump cannot garner a majority, all our conversation about who’s Rich, who is a Greater negotiator, who is Rich by the way etcetera’s are meaningless.

But being a Christian is NEVER meaningless.


39 posted on 02/03/2016 3:37:05 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: knarf
I hear the righteousness in the language of Cruz, but I don't think it will carry the nation

You don't think righteousness will carry the nation?

NOTHING ELSE will carry this nation. You ask for "a bull in a china shop," and want a dictator to continue zer0's method of rule.

I say we've had enough of that and need to go back to the country our founders envisioned. That is an Executive Office that knows its limits and know how to lead. Not one that is power-hungry and just wants to steamroll over its opponents.

Once we go down that road (already on our way there), our country is doomed--just another Rome on a slide to oblivion.

40 posted on 02/03/2016 3:49:52 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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