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February 1856
Amazon | 1892, 1978, 1995 | Frederick Douglas, Don E. Fehrenbacher, David Herbert Donald

Posted on 02/01/2016 5:09:00 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: henkster
SCOTUS decisions often make my head explode.

But then I contemplate where we would be if the 5-4 split had been in the other direction the last 30 years and it doesn't seem quite so bad.

21 posted on 02/11/2016 3:24:09 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
New York Times February 12, 1856

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22 posted on 02/12/2016 7:33:37 AM PST by occamrzr06
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To: occamrzr06
Slavery, Sir, is cannibalism, not the cannibalism which eats men, but that which puts the image of God on the auction block."

We have been dealing with fundamental things in this country for all our history.

23 posted on 02/12/2016 7:52:01 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
NY Times 2/12/1856 Proclamation of the President on Kansas Affairs

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24 posted on 02/12/2016 4:50:14 PM PST by occamrzr06
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To: occamrzr06

No mention of slavery at all in the Presidential proclamation.


25 posted on 02/12/2016 5:11:19 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
New York Tribune February 15, 1856

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26 posted on 02/15/2016 8:07:13 AM PST by occamrzr06
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Today we have the first excerpt from a book I posted about in December.

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The following mentions Lincoln's long-time law partner, William "Billy" Herndon. Outside his family Herndon may have been the most important person in Lincoln's life.

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William H. Herndon

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David Herbert Donald, "Lincoln" (1995)

27 posted on 02/22/2016 4:57:41 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Morning, Homer. I’m behind on the news ... just read the Frederick Douglass book a couple of weeks ago.


28 posted on 02/22/2016 4:59:27 AM PST by Tax-chick (Four teenagers at once. I'm ready to lead the Forlorn Hope now.)
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To: Tax-chick

Not to worry. There isn’t that much news to get behind on at this point so it doesn’t take long to get caught up.


29 posted on 02/22/2016 5:52:45 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I’m more partial to “A. Lincoln: A Biography” by Ronald White myself.


30 posted on 02/22/2016 5:59:11 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
I'm more partial to "A. Lincoln: A Biography" by Ronald White myself.

I don't remember if I considered that one when I was selecting. I'm now in the middle of Sandburg's "The Prairie Years." It is different, but I am enjoying it. I'm almost through Volume 1 now. Volume 2 will get me to where we are now (1856).

31 posted on 02/22/2016 6:28:23 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Sandburg is where a lot of the Lincoln mythology got it’s start. It’s entertaining but not great history. I’ve read Donald’s Lincoln and White’s Lincoln, and while both are excellent I just found White’s to be more interesting.


32 posted on 02/22/2016 6:30:26 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Sandburg is where a lot of the Lincoln mythology got it's start. It's entertaining but not great history.

I will keep that in mind if and when I decide to post excerpts from it. Sandburg occasionally embarks on obvious flights of imagination which can be a little annoying and he puts himself in Lincoln's head more than one would expect from an objective account. But Sandburg researched it exhaustively. It also helps that it was written in 1926 when there were still a few people from Lincoln's time around to interview. There are reproductions of letters and other items that may be worth posting here. Sandburg focuses on "the times" as well as "the life" in his biography. More so than the Donald bio does. That is helpful for readers like me who are not that well grounded in world history. Sandburg devotes whole chapters to describing what is going on in the U.S. and the world entirely apart from Lincoln. An example I recall is his description of the nascent globalization occurring in 1831, the year Lincoln left the family home and set out on his own.

33 posted on 02/22/2016 6:52:00 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: DoodleDawg; CougarGA7

Have you also read “The War Years”? I was planning in investing in that 4 volume set also, since it has been recommended by others. I wonder if the history in that is tolerably objective or is it reader beware?


34 posted on 02/22/2016 6:58:34 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I wonder if the history in that is tolerably objective or is it reader beware?

Sandburg was a poet more than an historian. And I think it shows in both Prairie Years and War Years. Both are interesting reads but they aren't serious history, at least that's how they struck me.

35 posted on 02/22/2016 7:39:29 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Unfortunately, history is often written selectively, with an agenda. This is particularly true of what I call “popular history.” Before I make a judgment of historical “truth,” I usually do not rely upon one source, but several. It’s like doing trial work. You hear wildly conflicting accounts, and have to sift through them to find where the truth really lies.


36 posted on 02/22/2016 8:16:42 AM PST by henkster (Hillary Clinton's supporters are beginning to re That'll keep alalize they are fettered to a corpse.)
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To: DoodleDawg; henkster

My favorite way to post excerpts is to get different accounts of the same event. That helps to zero in on what really happened as well as giving alternate, but factual looks at something. I have to much reading to catch up on to get another Lincoln bio, so if you or anyone else wants to post excerpts from other works it will be appreciated. Especially date-specific stuff that we can cover from different angles.


37 posted on 02/22/2016 4:24:26 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I have “With Malice Towards None: A Biography of Abraham Lincoln” by Stephen Oates.

Lincoln surprised people by selecting Herndon as his new partner because he just was just recently licensed, but Lincoln needed a good record keeper in the office, which Lincon was not. More importantly, Herndon was also a Whig and Lincoln needed his politcal support. Herndon turned out to not be a good record keeper and soon the office was in chaos. Lincoln even kept documents filed inside his stovepipe hat at this time.

Oates-p 71-73


38 posted on 02/23/2016 8:05:37 AM PST by rdl6989
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; henkster
This presents squarely the dillema Lincoln and other anti-slavery Whigs were confronting. The adoption of Kansas-Nebraska and the repeal of the Missouri Compromise in combination with Dred Scott and some slavers coming North to capture fugitive slaves roiled the North and lead to the destruction of the national Whig Party.

But where to go? Lincoln knew he did not belong with the No Nothings but was reluctant to join with the Republicans who he thought too radical.

But at the end of the day there was nowhere else for the Northern Whigs to go.

39 posted on 02/23/2016 3:11:53 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; henkster; colorado tanker; DoodleDawg; Tax-chick

From the Gettysburg, PA Adams Sentinal

Evidence that the overall economy in 1856 is booming:

And in Congress, Kansas is number one on their agenda:


40 posted on 02/25/2016 6:40:36 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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