Figure 4 Homicide Rate: 1910-44
Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970 (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1975), part 1, p. 414.
Posted on 11/29/2015 12:12:48 AM PST by TigerClaws
But, it does draw out those tendencies...
If one while sober has no moral qualms about killing, being high may blur one's pragmatic reasons for not killing.
What's the policy conclusion ... should we ban for all adults everything that can make sociopaths more dangerous?
just like alcohol.
Again, what's the policy conclusion ... should we ban both alcohol and marijuana - or ban neither?
The world would be a much safer, happier place if alcohol and/or other drugs were not used. They all lead to violence, arguments, addiction, crime, abuse...etc. What is to like?
“He was a quiet man.” - Rodney Dangerfield
Agreed - but criminalizing those substances has failed to achieve that end, and has enriched violent criminals.
“Agreed - but criminalizing those substances has failed to achieve that end, and has enriched violent criminals.”
By what standard?
Agreed - but criminalizing those substances has failed to achieve that end, and has enriched violent criminals.
By what standard?
Are alcohol and other drugs being used? Is there any evidence for a significant difference in use when legal as compared to when illegal?
“Are alcohol and other drugs being used? Is there any evidence for a significant difference in use when legal as compared to when illegal?”
Yes, one can look at violent crime, murder rate during prohibition and compare to recent times...and, would legalizing encourage usage or diminish it? Usage is what causes most of the violence, abuse, etc.
Figure 4 Homicide Rate: 1910-44
Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970 (Washington: Government Printing Office, 1975), part 1, p. 414.
“As are the people who make a desired product illegal and thus inflate the profits and restrict them to criminal hands. “
Certain banks see the above as a return on their failed investments in overseas lands...though what it really is an indirect raid on Americans to fund these banks’ losses via our drug addicts!
I argued once with a person who stated he does no harm in smoking pot. I asked if he grew his own, he said no, he buys it from a high school kid he knows. So another words, I told him, not only do you smoke an illegal product which wouldn’t be so bad if he grew his own and undertook his own personal risk of police discovering him; by buying from an under age dealer, he is also contributing to the delinquency of a minor who is himself at risk for arrest for dealing. He was silent as he had never thought of that before. (Even if the pot was legal for growth or sale, you can bet they’d never legalize anyone under the age of 21 to sell it). Harder drugs are much worse....a Muslim ploy to get more Americans hooked on Heroin via the Mexican cartels is just on more “cut” in the death by a thousand cuts strategy being deployed against us!
Since domestic Murder rates were said to falling until about the 6th year of the Obama regime, the laws against pot really can’t be blamed for domestic murder rate spikes. As for murder rates in drug Cartel nations such as Mexico...the trends are always up!
Since domestic Murder rates were said to falling until about the 6th year of the Obama regime, the laws against pot really can’t be blamed for domestic murder rate spikes. As for murder rates in drug Cartel nations such as Mexico...the trends are always up!
Which he wouldn't be doing if pot was legal - he'd be buying at a pot shop.
Nobody here is attributing domestic murder rate spikes to the laws against pot. My post refuted the implied claim that alcohol Prohibition lowered the murder rate.
Have to admit...homicide rate is higher during prohibition...what about violent crime in general? And, abuse?
Manfully conceded.
what about violent crime in general?
"The Volstead Act, passed to enforce the Eighteenth Amendment, had an immediate impact on crime. According to a study of 30 major U.S. cities, the number of crimes increased 24 percent between 1920 and 1921. The study revealed that during that period more money was spent on police (11.4+ percent) and more people were arrested for violating Prohibition laws (102+ percent). But increased law enforcement efforts did not appear to reduce drinking: arrests for drunkenness and disorderly conduct increased 41 percent, and arrests of drunken drivers increased 81 percent. Among crimes with victims, thefts and burglaries increased 9 percent, while homicides and incidents of assault and battery increased 13 percent.[42]" - http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-157.html
And, abuse?
You're on your own for that one.
What I do know from having rented to thousands of tenants for a twenty year career is probably 90+% of all trouble is with folks who drink and/or do drugs. I am also a recovering alcoholic and former drug user and understand the insanity of those who use.
I would never advocate for the destruction of lives legalizing any more drugs would do and the harm it would cause to others who do not partake in drugs or alcohol suffer as a consequence.
Consider, one who needs to escape, even a small part of reality for any reason has problems, sobriety is great.
There's no good evidence the drug criminalization significantly reduces use - but it does lead to harms and destruction of its own, by putting inflated profits in the hands of violent gangs and cartels.
“There’s no good evidence the drug criminalization significantly reduces use - but it does lead to harms and destruction of its own, by putting inflated profits in the hands of violent gangs and cartels.”
LOL, you are kidding right? Some things don’t need historical evidence to understand. Legalizing drugs will of course result in higher usage one can discern this with reasoning. Where do you get evidence that illegal drugs made legal will not still be distributed by illegal means...last information I saw from Colorado is the illegal pot trade is still flourishing...
yeah..the old booze runners found a new way to make money...goading the world into WW2. Don’t forget, it was the progressives that passed Prohibition and it was progressives that ended it...follow the money...always follow the money!
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