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Spygate to Deflategate: Inside what split the NFL and Patriots apart
ESPN ^ | 9/8/15 | Don Van Natta Jr. and Seth Wickersham

Posted on 09/08/2015 6:26:34 AM PDT by FewsOrange

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To: FlipWilson

“I get the breast cancer thing. But there are other ways to do it besides having the players turn pink. They can wear a ribbon or some other symbol”


They don’t have to display their support at all IMHO.
All diseases need support,why single out one. It’s stupid.

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41 posted on 09/08/2015 11:01:35 AM PDT by Mears (you)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper; simon says what
One more question. A quick look shows three more Patriots players suspended than your linked site shows. Probably another example of Patriot fans putting up a site to deflect their cheating ways.

I spent 10 minutes and found 3 Patriot players that were suspended but mysteriously missing from this "snopes-like" site:

Brian Tims
Brandon Browner
Aqib Talib

I'm guessing that most of the rest is projection as well. Can't even create a list of cheating without cheating to make your team look better..

42 posted on 09/08/2015 11:12:22 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

The Patriots are no more cheaters than any other team in the league. Please, point out the falsehoods on the website.

The Patriots are the best team in the league because they have the greatest coach of all time, the greatest quarterback of all time, and the team works harder than any other team in professional football.

You can find several instances on youtube of coaches and former coaches admitting ALL teams videotaped football game signals.

The Carolina Panthers purposefully warmed footballs using the bench heaters on the sideline last year during the Minnesota game for a competitive advantage. Where was the outrage from the NFL? Why did they give Carolina a small fine only for ball tampering when they had direct video evidence of the infraction?

Liars??? Why don’t you just join the ESPN staff? Please actually use your brain when analyzing the facts and not resort to name calling and slander.

Why did the NFL not determine the source of the leaks to ESPN like they said they would? Why were the leaks grossly inaccurate? Why did the NFL forbid the Patriots from responding to the leaks? Why did the NFL not correct the inaccuracies despite multiple Patriots team appeals to the league? What personal biases of NFL executives affected this whole process?


43 posted on 09/08/2015 11:13:01 AM PDT by simon says what
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Have other teams cheated... Yes or No? YES

Have other teams cheated more and worse than the Patriots...Yes or No? YES

Is the NFL purposefully trying to damage the Patriots... Yes or No ? YES


44 posted on 09/08/2015 11:15:36 AM PDT by simon says what
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To: simon says what
I'm over 10 years old so I don't play the childish "but everyone does it" game.

I pointed out one quick area where I saw your Patriot fan-boy site was incorrect. The Patriots, as an organization, are cheaters. And they have admitted as much. You're starting to look silly in your inability to accept these simple facts.

Have other teams cheated? Sure
Have other teams cheated worse than the Patriots? No
Is the NFL purposely trying to damage the Patriots? No, that is absurd, and only the blindest fan-boy would think anything different.

Spin it anyway you like, but the Patriots have admitted to cheating and even your fan-boy site shows that nearly all they acknowledge occurred during the current regime.

45 posted on 09/08/2015 11:30:15 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: simon says what

Quote: “The Patriots are no more cheaters than any other team in the league. Please, point out the falsehoods on the website.”

Um, I did. So did another poster.


46 posted on 09/08/2015 11:31:16 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: simon says what
One more question:

WHY DID TOM BRADY DESTROY HIS PHONE??

Your defense sounds like you might moonlight in the Hillary campaign.

47 posted on 09/08/2015 11:32:08 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: simon says what

Have other teams cheated... Yes or No? I rejected above, and continue to reject the everyone was doing it defense. if the answer is “YES” that should scare the hell out of you as a fan because the NFL is doomed. My answer, however, is as above, the Patriots (BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION) took it to far.

Have other teams cheated more and worse than the Patriots...Yes or No? Sorry, not accepting that website over ESPN. If one sucks, they both do. I am sure someone has cheated worse than the Patriots. But if you expect me to accept a 1956 incident as a stinging rebuke, come now.

Is the NFL purposefully trying to damage the Patriots... Yes or No ? Yes, they are. The NFL wants less revenue and an end to football. It is in league with MLS to destroy football so that the sport that should really be called football will dominate American culture.


48 posted on 09/08/2015 11:36:04 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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Quote: “Have other teams cheated... Yes or No? YES”

I just have to go back to this one because it is somewhat disturbing. If cheating is a part of the game, why are no awards given out for the best cheater? Is football is shell game?

Hey son, let’s go to the game, we can play “spot the cheating.”

“But Dad, what about that great QB the home team has?”

“Son, the play on the field is important but we have brand new aspect to this game. It’s not how they play but how they figure out how to beat the system to give a competitive advantage.”

“Really?”

“Sure, I hear home team has contracted out to the NSA this week.”


49 posted on 09/08/2015 11:40:32 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: FlipWilson

My point isn’t that cheating is acceptable. My point is the Patriots are being targeted by the NFL.

During the season last year, the Carolina Panthers were seen on National TV warming footballs with the sideline space heaters. This was done for a competitive advantage. Despite direct video evidence, the Panthers received only a small fine. There were no major articles written on the ESPN website, the NFL didn’t leak information to the press, and the NFL didn’t launch a huge investigation.

The NFL is SPECIFICALLY TARGETING the New England Patriots. Can I tell you exactly why? No. The NFL’s actions and behavior point to a direct and purposeful campaing to damage the Patriots. This is NOT normal league enforcement activity.

The Patriots are not the best team in football because of cheating. They are the best team in football because they have the greatest coach of all time, the greatest quarterback of all time, and the team works harder than any other team in football.


50 posted on 09/08/2015 11:52:01 AM PDT by simon says what
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

WHY DID TOM BRADY DESTROY HIS PHONE??

Ummm....

Because he bought a new one?

Because he’s the greatest football quarterback of all time and paparazzi would love to get a hold of his phone?

Because his wife is the greatest supermodel of all time and paparazzi would love to get a hold of his phone?

Because it is the sensible thing to do to protect your private data because criminals would love to get a hold of the phone?

Because he had already made clear that under no circumstances would he be turning over the phone to the NFL as agreed to by the player’s union and the NFL in the last CBA?

Because it’s HIS phone?


51 posted on 09/08/2015 12:02:08 PM PDT by simon says what
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To: simon says what
You forgot one:

To hide the fact that he was lying.

And no, he isn't the greatest QB of all time, and might not even be the greatest current QB. He might have been able to end up with that designation but the cheating will mean an asterisk for many people. How much easier is it to call a run a play when you know what the defense is going to do?

52 posted on 09/08/2015 12:22:29 PM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Nope, he turned over every record from the phone company pertaining to the phone. The NFL with the list of people and Brady’s records could have caught him in ANY lie. They also had the phones of the two locker room attendants.

He did not lie and he is the best quarterback of all time.

Asterisk away... you are building your assumptions on NFL slander.


53 posted on 09/08/2015 12:27:17 PM PDT by simon says what
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To: simon says what

Quote: “The Patriots are not the best team in football because of cheating. They are the best team in football because they have the greatest coach of all time, the greatest quarterback of all time, and the team works harder than any other team in football.”

Well, they definitely have the greatest QB and Coach of this time. Some Pats fans might take issue with the Coach thing.


54 posted on 09/08/2015 2:07:26 PM PDT by FlipWilson
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