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Donald Trump Is Set To Blow Up GOP Orthodoxy--Again
Washington Examiner ^ | 8/29/2015 | Byron York

Posted on 08/30/2015 6:54:01 AM PDT by conservativejoy

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To: precisionshootist

You ignore the fact that your knife has huge built in costs associated with the income tax system.

You also ignore the fact that you’re buying the knife with un-taxed income.

Pretty darned big oversight on your part.


41 posted on 08/30/2015 10:56:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Donald Trump is a symptom, not the cure.)
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To: parksstp

He hasn’t really come out with his plan yet, so to call it class warfare is a bit premature. As far as the comments he’s made so far, regarding the rich paying their fair share, it sounded like he was talking about removing some of the exemptions given to hedge fund traders rather than increasing their tax rates. If his plan ends up being lower tax rates for all, but removal of many of the exemptions, I think I can live with that.


42 posted on 08/30/2015 11:42:05 AM PDT by mbrfl (fightingmad)
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To: randita

Gus top rate is 15% - it is being reported wrong to make you think he is raising taxes. The highest incomes pay 15%, the lowest 1%. It is still progressive, hence the titles.


43 posted on 08/30/2015 11:43:26 AM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: M1911A1
Who gives to this GOPe slush fund? The same guys who get tax breaks and loopholes and have a lot of dough. Trump is setting the stage to make them an issue, the bad guys who control the GOPe, and by focusing attention on that he makes it harder for Jeb to get funding.

It would be interesting to know the origin of this "carried interest" tax treatment the hedge fund managers benefit from. Special tax breaks like this often come about because they a slipped into larger bills barely noticed. Don't if this is one of those, but special little deals are often passed for favored industries or even for just one company.

Trump appears to be completely right about this one and people taking shots at him could end up looking pretty silly.

44 posted on 08/30/2015 11:51:33 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Byron York who initially could not trash talk Donald enough seems to be moving from Depression to Aceeptance.” LOL!”

Bless his heart!:)


45 posted on 08/30/2015 12:29:28 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: j.argese

Donald’s plan would tax low incomes, just at 1%, which is more than they are paying now.


46 posted on 08/30/2015 12:31:00 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: conservativejoy

Byron York is smoking something. I dont’ buy for one second the majority of Americans agree with #1. That is pure communism and won’t/can’t work.


47 posted on 08/30/2015 12:32:32 PM PDT by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: Fledermaus

It is just a form of the graduated tax. I don’t know what the percentage of tax would be for over a million, but in his book, the maximum rate for anyone is 15%.


48 posted on 08/30/2015 12:51:52 PM PDT by conservativejoy (We Can Elect Ted Cruz! Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God!)
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To: GOPJ; stephenjohnbanker; Grampa Dave; Jane Long; ken5050; The Mayor; NYer; TADSLOS; ...
The essence of a successful republic is the distance between we, the people, and the govt.

Under Clinton and Obama, a bottomless chasm developed.

Both of them have no use for we, the people.....they both worship at the Church of Whatever Works for Me.

Just by stepping onto the political stage, Donald Trump has drawn the people closer to their govt...as the Founders intended.

49 posted on 08/30/2015 2:49:55 PM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz

I don’t need to be pinged to Trump threads.

Thanks anyway.


50 posted on 08/30/2015 2:51:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Will88

They simply contracted with their investors to get paid for their efforts, in large part, in capital gains. So, they naturally paid taxes on the capital gains as capital gains.

It’s gonna be tricky to change that without putting a damper on investment capital altogether.


51 posted on 08/30/2015 3:02:07 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: conservativejoy

So Trump’s a “tax the rich” guy.


52 posted on 08/30/2015 3:03:17 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

15% has actually been the lowest rate that hedge fund managers have had to pay on carried interest.


53 posted on 08/30/2015 3:10:00 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
They simply contracted with their investors to get paid for their efforts, in large part, in capital gains. So, they naturally paid taxes on the capital gains as capital gains.

The definition is not crystal clear, but if these general partners are just managing funds from investors, and not putting up any funds of their own, then partners have not realized capital gains, but merely managed investments for others.

DEFINITION OF 'CARRIED INTEREST' A share of any profits that the general partners of private equity and hedge funds receive as compensation, despite not contributing any initial funds.

54 posted on 08/30/2015 3:18:08 PM PDT by Will88
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To: parksstp
Trump is spewing the left’s position of class warfare and the rich “not paying their fair share”

They super wealthy wonks are getting away with financial murder. It's no secret. That bull sh*t will be changing.

55 posted on 08/30/2015 3:21:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Will88

Most hedge fund managers do contribute some initial funds, but the “carried interest” they receive is not based on those funds.

Traditionally, fund managers were paid a 2% management fee. Then, the carried interest, typically at 20% of the profit on the entire fund, would be paid to the managers of the fund if they had delivered at least a pre-set rate of return. Thus, the carried interest was compensation for good performance.

A case could be made, as Trump apparently wants to make, that that capital gain went first to the investors, who in turn paid a performance fee based on the rate of capital gain. Thus, that performance fee should be taxed as ordinary income, rather than a capital gain.

I’m okay with him advocating that, though it is something of a red herring in that it doesn’t represent a major amount of taxes and only affects a relatively few people.


56 posted on 08/30/2015 3:27:06 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: parksstp
If Mr Trump wants to pay more, there is nothing stopping him right now from writing a check of his own free will to Uncle Sam for whatever amount he deems is right.

You want it to be voluntary like the E-Verify system? It's the same system the super wealthy wonks came up with! It's great for the corrupt politicians who's campaigns are bankrolled by tens of thousands of greedy corporations and employers. It allows them to game the tax payers out of taxes, wages, jobs, social services and everything else.

But it's all good and fair right?

57 posted on 08/30/2015 3:38:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: parksstp

Profits regardless of consequences. Nothing else matters!


58 posted on 08/30/2015 3:41:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 9YearLurker
A case could be made, as Trump apparently wants to make, that that capital gain went first to the investors, who in turn paid a performance fee based on the rate of capital gain. Thus, that performance fee should be taxed as ordinary income, rather than a capital gain.

It just sounds like tax scam some hedge fund big donors probably obtained from some bought and paid for members of Congress.

By definition, a capital gain is a gain on an asset purchased and owned for a specific period of time. Fund managers could have legitimate capital gains only on assets they actually owned.

If this is correct, Trump should make an issue of it. There's not a lot a sympathy around for big donors who everyone knows expect something in return for their big donations.

59 posted on 08/30/2015 3:43:08 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

That’s actually not accurate. A capital gain could be realized, and tax owed, on gifted property.


60 posted on 08/30/2015 3:47:52 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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