Posted on 08/27/2015 5:43:27 AM PDT by don-o
Keep lying, you can’t produce a single quote where I denied making those posts.
Lying?
No, linking.
If you don’t like it, tough.
Yep, lying. If you don’t like the charge, produce a quote where I denied making those posts, as you allege. You can’t do it, because it’s a lie.
If you don’t like me pointing that out, then stop lying.
All anyone needs to do is look at that thread and read your posts.
You seem rather unhappy with that.
I’m fine with them reading the thread, and reading my posts. No problem with that whatsoever, I have said multiple times I stand by my actual words. I’m not sure why that is so hard for you to understand.
However, when you continue to lie about what I’ve said, I’ll point that out and call you a liar, because that is what you are.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3329743/posts?page=14#14
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3329743/posts?page=16#16
Those two posts most definitely state what was claimed.
Especially in context.
Keep trying.
That’s not the issue. You claimed that I have denied making those posts, which I never have. That makes you a liar. Deal with it.
Move the goalposts.
Which anyone can see by following that thread..
Pff, keep trying to change the subject from your lying.
Like I said...
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3329743/posts?page=14#14
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3329743/posts?page=16#16
You have no issue ambushing people you have personally deemed to be “gangsters” or “mafioso” and suspending constitutional right to fair nonexcessive bail.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3329743/posts?page=26#26
“I put it in quotes!”. Walkback begins.
And thus begins the saga of your squirming.
Walkback? Was it not in quotes in the original comment? Can you not read English?
Anyway, you’ll never comprehend that because we’ve already established you really are dumber than a 5th grader.
However, we’ve also shown you are a liar, which is a lot worse. You may not be able to help being dumb, but lying is inexcusable.
Yeah, you did.
It’s all there.
In all its amusing glory.
If it was there, you could produce a quote, yet you can’t, because it’s a lie. Liar.
“You don’t get to skate on that claim.
Prove it or shut yer piehole.”
LOL.
SURELY you can prove it, give links!
Since you don’t like his post:
“I have no problem with police “ambushing” gangsters who started a broad daylight shootout, endangering innocent bystanders.”
I guess you don’t want the cops defending the kids at the family plaza from getting killed during a gang war.
“Anyway, you’ll never comprehend that because we’ve already established you really are dumber than a 5th grader.”
He knows what he is doing. He is deliberately baiting you by distorting your posts.
His goal is to get you banned.
Ha! I don’t think that’s going to work, but whatever, let him try. Others have tried and others have failed, and he definitely is not sharper than they were.
I’ve only seen you claim there were any kids to “defend”.
And sorry, excessive bail is specifically mentioned by the founders as being forbidden.
As for the ambush: yeah, let’s create a situation where there is lead flying as that is so much better and exciting than actually investigating, documenting, and making SAFER arrests elsewhere!
Take your “ safety” shtick elsewhere.
Safety of ANY bystanders was the last thing on their minds
You keep dancing around the issue, playing word games, squirming one way, then some other over, avoiding how you've indiscriminately accused all who were arrested as being members of criminal gangs, using that sort of accusation as a key part of justification for the John Doe arrest warrants.
Every single time I mention this, you raise some other side issue. Every time. Except perhaps to go back to tarring them all with the same brush, digging for some link or another about how bad Bandidos are, as if even all of those are equally "bad", thus guilty (as charged) of conspiracy ---> to go to Twin Peaks that day and commit crimes.
You jumped on calling the Scimitars "support group" for the Cossacks, and thus guilty of being "criminal biker gang" for that type of reason. A big problem with that is that Cossacks don't even near qualify as biker "gang" (as in criminal gang) which has history of habitually engaging in crime. That stands now matter what the Sgt. Swantons of the world have to say about it
They appear to me to be instead, a Motorcycle Club, who it further appears to me, were being victimized by Bandidos, but did have a few of their members fight back, one day committing assault against a lone Bandido, at a truck stop.
But that was only after some time previous, three Bandidos had burst into a bar in Ft. Worth, and assaulted patrons there, ending up shooting & killing a Ghost Rider.
Then later, a president of a Bandido chapter, and a cohort or two of his, assaulted a pair of Cossacks, and cut one with a knife. In another incident, some other Cossack had been assaulted at a truck stop by swarming cluster of Bandidos, before(?) the one lone beat-down suffered by a Bandido occurred.
It sounds to me like it was the Bandidos who've been the leading bad guys, even if there are also likely to be Bandidos who didn't want any of this stuff to happen AT ALL, and had no intent for what occurred in Waco to happen ---- possibly even were much more intent upon the opposite.
There allegedly had been an invitation sent from one Bandido chapter president, to a Cossack chapter president, asking him to attend the meeting in Waco.
Another of the Cossacks gave testimony in a hearing, that he had gotten a phone call from a Waco PD officer who asked him to attend the meeting that day, to see if he could help work out a peace.
Remember how you tried to paint the Cossacks and Scimitars as bad guys, just for showing up to the meeting ---uninvited? Don't you know the meetings are not formally, entirely closed to bikers unaffiliated with the CoC? And for this meeting, there had been some invitations...
You also had attempted to make great hay out of that organization (the CoC) allegedly being "dominated by Bandidos" (according to YOU, that is), so thus was as a Bandido affiliate 'front' group of sorts...which in your hands turned membership of the CoC who were present that day, into virtual Bandido support group members, thus leaving it as if when they were arrested, being a member of the CoC was an item of proof (of being a member of "outlaw biker gang") that you relied upon while supporting the contention that all the cookie cutter arrests were perfectly justified.
Yet the cookie-cutter warrants by-passed any acknowledgement of a Cossack having been urged to attend the meeting by a Waco PD officer, and a Bandido chapter president also (if Waco PD had been aware of that), and still charged that man with conspiracy TOO!!!
It's no wonder the Cossacks feel as if they'd been set up, even if quite possibly not all the Bandidos were at all in on planning to commit acts of violence. And it's no real wonder that conspiracy theories involving who knows what shadowy motives and manipulations on the part of LE (of several agencies) are wondered about, or even believed, by *some*.
The LE agencies do appear to have things they'd just as soon hide, possibly even beyond all the foot-dragging on their part to extend the time between now, and whenever the first trials will (inevitably) commence.
At which point they will be compelled to turn over evidence, but will likely play coy with it, to the fullest extent they think they can get away with doing so, playing games like the "but you didn't ask for that piece of evidence" game.
There is no real downside to it for them to do so, other than risk irritating a judge. They can play all the games they want, then go home safe and sound, smugly smiling about how clever they are.
When they have to begin divulging what evidence they have in support of the charges as filed, at that point the prosecutors will likely as not try to rush the process once it begins, in order to make it more difficult for defense attorneys to figure out just what the L happened; who, what, where (exactly), and why, this needing to be sorted out from among a chaotic scene --- which LE and prosecutors will have had generous time to pour over, building their cases, which I forecast; in the instance of those not directly involved in acts of commission of violence, will very likely rely upon the same type of relatively shallow innuendos at key junctures in the proceedings, that you've been bandying about as if those were key pieces of evidence.
At some point, prosecutors are going to have to make their movements, or get off the pot ---meaning they will need to start naming names, of who it is they think murdered who. There has to be something concrete, of that nature, to tie the otherwise vague charges of conspiracy to. Can you SEE that, yet?
Yet so far, here we are, now months later, and still no more specific charges of assault, homicide, what-have-you. That's a form of gaming the system, right there, engaged in by those who are sworn to uphold the law, and be agents of the Court in search of what could be referred to as unvarnished truth.
But how much lacquer & layers of varnish, followed by cloudy globs of wax strategically gobbed onto portions of evidence here and there, purposefully done in order to mislead, just enough to win conviction ---- for the large number of undoubtedly wobbly cases which there are, for which there is insufficient evidence for prosecutors to win righteous conviction for charges as those now stand, if they don't try all the tricks in the book that can they think can get away with?
There is little downside to LE "gangs" for attempting to game the system. They all go home, with hardly a care in the world --- even when caught red-handed. When they are not, well then, it's their little secret, and would be (will be?) spun any way necessary for them to continue to maintain their own innocence in all things. Sort-of like you, come to think of it. It's no wonder you have such an affinity for them.
That *some* Bandidos may have been hoping to draw Cossacks into a brawl, or were at least ready and willing to fight over relatively minor things, does not equal that all Bandidos were conspirators.
Much less that the Cossacks and Scimatar MC members who lived through it, were also "conspirators" intent upon committing violent crime, and that charge justified because to hear you tell it -- they were members of criminal biker gangs (thus by implication guilty of some form of malice aforethought) rather than some of them guilty; of only ---having attempted to defend themselves from being assaulted, even killed--- in the midst of outbreak of violence which it appears quite likely that one, or two or more Bandidos initiated.
Think about it. Then compare that (all the above, not just the abbreviating to CBG's statement) to what you've been saying indiscriminately about those who were arrested.
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