Posted on 08/27/2015 5:43:27 AM PDT by don-o
Whatever happened to all those Waco bikers? You know, the 177 people arrested at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas after a motorcycle rally on May 17 ended with nine people shot dead?
Immediately following the shooting, I wrote about just how badly Waco authorities screwed up the arrests. Rather than trifle with technicalities like the rules for bail under the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Justice of the Peace Pete Peterson set bail at a staggering $1 million for each of the arrestees in order to “send a message.” Then I described how prosecuting nearly 200 bikers was crushing the criminal justice system in McLennan County and costing taxpayers a fortune.
Why did the story fade from public attention? What’s come out since the story broke?
As it turns out, it’s no accident that you haven’t heard more about the Waco biker debacle.
First, let’s look at two developments that seem like they would be informative, but actually aren’t.
(Excerpt) Read more at abovethelaw.com ...
“Good afternoon Patrick. You have, however, provided a number of those who were.”
Exactly.
BTW, Do you believe that this was a police massacre? After all, you are aligning yourself with that conspiracy element.
“Have not heard a word about the wiped cell phones that were returned, either.”
Allegedly wiped ...
No X-spurt, I’m asking because its extremely poor form to post under two profiles. The language of your posts and Texas Gators is very similar and you continued a discussion I was having with TexasGator as if you and I were having the debate.
So it sounds like you are the same person.
-- Still, who knows what one of those 62 might know? --
They are witnesses, and as such, are under that blanket gag order. One of these days, the accused will obtain the right to speak on their own behalf, and the witnesses will be allowed to speak their minds on the subject.
I believe that it is quite likely that police killed some of the victims. What jurisdiction was involved, I cannot say. I have not used the M word. Rather, I have tended to suspect gross incompetence (and perhaps criminal negligence) attaching to Waco PD. Any additional crimes resulting from that have yet to be exposed.
As to what the Feds were up to....I wonder if Reyna or Strother have figured THAT out yet.
So you expect 186 (177) indictments for at least the charged offense?
Now I am confused. I thought the gag order applied to Broden and his client Clendennen. Was every other defendant and attorney served with this order?
“I believe that it is quite likely that police killed some of the victims.”
I believe that the police have stated that they shot some of the bikers.
After all, they say they picked up 12 of their .223 casings and one would not think they missed on all 12 shots.
“No X-spurt, I’m asking because its extremely poor form to post under two profiles. The language of your posts and Texas Gators is very similar and you continued a discussion I was having with TexasGator as if you and I were having the debate.”
WE ARE NOT THE SAME.
I NEVER SAW X BEFORE THESE THREADS.
ARE WE TO SUSPECT THAT YOU ARE THE SAME PERSON WHEN YOU CHIME IN ON A CONVERSATION ONE IS HAVING WITH ANOTHER?
THAT DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING A PUBLIC BOARD.
Your assertions are wrong, as usual.
Its more often stated as 3 to 5 feet, to which even then there are exceptions which can extend the range yet further.
How much powder would a .22 short (rimfire) have?
How much more powder residue would a .40 S& W produce?
.357 anyone? Ever shot one of those, in the dark? The tongue of the fire ball licks out easily five feet before extinguishing, deary.
The round carries along some in it's wake also, bringing along with it detectable residues, even if not producing characteristic stippling which would clearly indicate 3 feet or less, depending on how much stippling, the caliber, the lack of or presence of clothing, the composition and thickness of clothing if there be any. That last would work towards closing possible range.
Not 2 feet, and then there is some kind of magical wall which can deflect all powder residues beyond that.
Clear stippling pattern is more generally limited to 3 feet or so, but that's not what the other poster here had limited themselves to speaking about, to which you responded "2 feet".
“Its more often stated as 3 to 5 feet, to which even then there are exceptions which can extend the range yet further.”
Defined here as 30”. HOWEVER, lack of stipling only indicates greater than 30”. It does not EXCLUDE 24”.
But, wth, three feet is plenty close in this type of melee. After all the goal is to shoot him BEFORE he gets within 3 feet of you.
http://www.pathologyexpert.com/boards/forensics/gsw.htm
“I could prove you are lying (again) but would have to go back to prior threads, then drag a series of comments from those that undeniably indicated that is what you specifically MEANT, regardless of what precise wordings you employed.”
So, you admit I very PRECISELY say something but claim that what I very PRECISELY say is what I don’t mean?
Oh, really!
“What kind of squirming will you do now, when you are reminded that you have characterized everyone who was arrested that day as being criminal gang...”
No squirming. Not all the bikers there were arrested. I believe it was like around 60 or more that were NOT arrested. I have very PRECISELY not claimed that they were part of a criminal gang.
When will you stop lying about what many of us saw with our own eyes?
Again, the truth is not in you.
Too costly to pride, and your own preferred self-image, I imagine.
(includes Glock .40 and Glock .45
“The only reasonable conclusions one can draw from the powder stippling is that when the stippling appears locally concentrated, the weapon may have been discharged within 24 in. of the target surface. Gunpowder residue is usually associated with a distance of contact up to 12 in. “
http://www.evidencemagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1119
“When will you stop lying about what many of us saw with our own eyes?”
What did you see? It would be nice to know what you are accusing me of ...
You have from day one characterized, if not more directly accused all who were arrested were indeed part of criminal biker "gang". You have done so over and over, yet here you attempt to limit it, as if you've still done no one wrong.
Your continuing blanket accusations and accompanying fleets of innuendo are used in support of the blanket, John Doe, fill-in-the-blank arrest warrants, which were so over-the-top out of legal bounds of full justification, one former prosecutor now turned private attorney, was incensed over how McLennan County was playing their cards, abusing the legal system (but accusing one defense attorney of 'cynical manipulation' of legal process (!) while they were at it).
Yet here you attempt to deflect away from even the looser accusations which you had initially indulged yourself in (earning my own undying enmity for doing so) which you've consistently followed up with ongoing lack of sufficient honesty, coupled with incessant game-playing of one sort or another, afterwards.
Just how many relatives do you have that are in law enforcement, or once were, or something to that effect?
Forget I asked.
I don't believe a word you have to say. If you said the sky appeared to be blue, I'd have to step outside and look. (sometimes it doesn't appear blue, like when its gray & overcast, and at night.)
Your argument based on stippling alone misses the boat, just enough to fall into the drink, regardless of the limited wording of the one paragraph you quoted from that one article.
Chemically detectable residue can be easily be deposited from yet further distance than a mere 2 feet away.
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