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Is this GOP presidential nomination cycle only a choice between The Donald and Jeb Bush?
8/24/2015 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 08/24/2015 7:20:27 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Black Agnes

If post #36 is true, how would having Warren Buffet in A Donald administration be any better than having Brad Dayspring in a campaign?

And why would Trump even have Roger Stone around for even one second? Why was that guy anywhere near his campaign in the first place?

Some might say that Trump is just talking about this (Warren Buffet).

But I thought he was a doer and not a talker?

If he is a doer will he do what he says?

If not, then how can supporters of The Donald say that The Donald is truly a doer and not a talker if it is all talk about having Warren Buffet in a cabinet position?


61 posted on 08/24/2015 8:18:04 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“And how does the scenario of Perry splitting the vote in Texas against Cruz and thereby hurting this anti-GOPe candidate (Cruz) way down the road from now play at all in reality if Perry is running out of money right now and can’t even pay his staff?”

You answered you own question.

Perry IS out of money, his superpac (ie, all those people with their hands in the trillion dollar feed trough) is the only reason he’s still in the race:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rick-perry-stops-paying-all-of-his-staff-as-fundraising-dries-up/ar-BBlCPaN?ocid=ansWashpost11

The whole reason the superpac funding laws were changed is played out in the Perry campaign right now.

“But a group of Opportunity and Freedom super PACs promoting Perry’s candidacy was in far healthier state financially, having raised nearly $17 million by the end of June.

Austin Barbour, senior adviser to the super PAC, said the group would step up “to aggressively support the governor in a number of different ways.”

“We’ve got plenty of money,” Barbour said. “That’s what I know. And we’re going to put that money to use in Iowa to make sure the governor is in the top three there. The super PAC is not going to let Rick Perry down.””


62 posted on 08/24/2015 8:18:48 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

You’re making the assumption that I’m a Trump supporter.

I’m not.

After the Cochran scorched earth campaign, I just want the GOPe out of business.

I don’t really care about the rest.

Not my elephants, not my circus.


63 posted on 08/24/2015 8:20:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Well at least we know that Trump will take on those free traitors who outsource everything to China.


64 posted on 08/24/2015 8:21:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

jbush needs vote splitting to survive.

multiple sources have confirmed the “gope” strategy.

I would much rather this break down to two finalists of trump and cruz.

no matter the theory, jbush has 120 million from his six donors to be a meaningless candidate promising the same and doing nothing to keep the promises.


65 posted on 08/24/2015 8:22:36 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Black Agnes

Not up for argument?

That sounds like liberals saying “the science is settled on climate change.”

We need evidence.

The evidence supports this being an election right now where Rubio is hurting Jeb Bush badly, and Kasich and others not helping Bush at all, either.

The theory/hypothesis that Perry will hurt Cruz does not have any quantitative proof to back it up.

Right now, this division helps only The Donald even if this is an election cycle where the GOPe never believed that someone like him would run.


66 posted on 08/24/2015 8:24:15 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“The evidence supports this being an election right now where Rubio is hurting Jeb Bush badly, and Kasich and others not helping Bush at all, either.”

Only because Trump has screwed up the numbers.

Hence the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And yes, the division DOES help Donald.

Hence, more wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Another thing that helps Donald is the primaries being open in many of the key states. Previously the GOPe has used that fact to get the dim voters to select the least conservative pubbie for the primary. Cochran used this to his advantage in spades. Now they’re wishing those primaries were closed. LOL.

Again, not my elephants, not my circus.


67 posted on 08/24/2015 8:28:36 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: grania

I listened to his Alabama speech and it was impressive. I never heard anyone be so bold as to talk down our China and Mexico free trade agreements.

With that said he still comes off as very arrogant on his business success.

I also find his claim that the bible is his no 1 book just pandering to the crowd.


68 posted on 08/24/2015 8:29:38 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

No, The choice given was Trump or ¡Yeb!


69 posted on 08/24/2015 8:30:05 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: null and void

If what you say is true, what good would a Veep do if Sarah Palin couldn’t get John McLame elected?

If it was because John McLame was so lame and no one could help him, then how would The Donald supposedly being far better than McLame not be enough to get The Donald elected?

Now it seems as if The Donald alone is not enough, but someone else is needed to take him over the top?

Journey:

“And the wheel in the sky keeps on turning, and I don’t know where The Donald will be tomorrow?”


70 posted on 08/24/2015 8:33:19 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: alloysteel; cripplecreek; All

I believe you are right - it doesn’t look like Jeb is in the running, at least in terms of reality versus perception.

But now on here the Donald apparently needs a good Veep candidate to win.

And so the how and why’s concerning The Donald keep on turning with so many theories/hypotheses/conspiracies theories about the GOPe being spun, and they don’t compliment each other, either, they are often in contradiction to one another.

“And the wheel in the sky keeps on turning, oh I don’t know where The Donald will be tomorrow...”

Don’t get me wrong, I have no love for the GOPe, but this can be a neither/nor election (neither Jeb nor The Donald), and we don’t have to have conspiracy theories abounding, either.

It is really starting to sound like GOPe Derangement Syndrome.


71 posted on 08/24/2015 8:40:00 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Donald Trump will get his votes. A VP is often chosen to attract additional votes that the candidate cannot attract. Palin brought votes to McCain that he would otherwise not get. She probably also lost some votes. The VP choices is about getting electoral votes so most times they will draw in a particular state that the candidate is weak in.


72 posted on 08/24/2015 8:42:39 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Sam Gamgee
with that said he (Trump) still comes off as very arrogant on his business success

That arrogance is part of the success. I'd rather have that than someone who panders with a politically acceptable personality then stabs us in the back, every time.

Bible...#1....pandering. Maybe. Or maybe recognizing that the Bible is important to a lot of US citizens, and decisions are going to have to factor that in.

I just can't see that any of the others have the smarts and that force-of-nature persona to turn the nation around. Meanwhile, if the dems dump the thing and go Biden/Warren, they'll be the ones with the argument of being able to get something done.

73 posted on 08/24/2015 8:49:37 AM PDT by grania
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
It is really starting to sound like GOPe Derangement Syndrome.

Which is understandable but is purely destructive if we don't look ahead to what comes next. If we simply destroy the GOPe with no plan moving forward, all we'll do is hand control back to the democrats. While I wish Rand Paul were out of the presidential race I couldn't understand the point of Trump saying he also needs to lose the seante seat. He's far from perfect but he still gets a top ten conservative rating from most conservative groups.

Removal of GOPe leadership should be the goal but we will need to salvage a lot of less than perfect republicans for at least the short term. Personally I like the idea of senate majority leader Mike Lee and Speaker of the House Louie Gohmert.
74 posted on 08/24/2015 8:51:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: grania

No he implied that for him personally the bible is the no 1 book. That gives me the chills as though he is on a big sell (New York is the center for boiler room operations and so on)


75 posted on 08/24/2015 8:54:59 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

You misunderstand, even a dead Donald could get a good Veep elected.

Not the other way around.


76 posted on 08/24/2015 8:56:24 AM PDT by null and void (Send them all back!)
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To: cripplecreek

“If we simply destroy the GOPe with no plan moving forward, all we’ll do is hand control back to the democrats. “

The same big money donors run both parties. If we destroy the facade of a two party system that currently doesn’t exist we will be able to go forward from there.

Imagine if we’d shied away from the fight in Europe because we weren’t certain what would follow...

A difficult task though. The big money donors have effectively rewritten the rules over the past 10 or 15 years to ensure they have the last say in who we are ‘allowed’ to choose between.


77 posted on 08/24/2015 8:58:39 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The GOP has been the party of, by, and for big money donors since Reagan left office. Reagan was an anomaly. People forget or are too young to know that Reagan was not the choice of the establishment. He was a conservative challenger.

The GOPe tries to create rules for the nominating process that insures that their chosen candidate will win. Jeb! Bush is this year’s choice of the misnamed US Chamber of Commmerce and the rest of the no borders treason lobby. That’s why he has had no trouble raising dramatically more money than all of the other candidates.

Early this year the GOPe knew that Jeb! would have only two real challengers- Cruz and Walker. And maybe Rand Paul. And even though they didn’t have any money to speak of they had something Jeb! completely lacks, and that’s popular support among actual voters. So they came up with the plan of diluting Cruz and Walker’s potential support by flooding the primary with all of the rest of the candidates that we now see. Jeb! may not have much support, but by flooding the zone everyone else would have even less.

The one thing that they weren’t expecting is Donald Trump. The Donald is The Jeb’s! worst nightmare. He has all the money he needs. He has attracted actual voter support, not the party hack variety that Team Jeb! counts on. He’s not a Tea Party conservative but he appears to be a patriot and for some that’s close enough. Team Jeb! was prepared to defeat Cruz and Walker by diluting the primary vote and outspending them. Team Jeb! had already counted on the nomination being theirs without a real fight. But now that’s all changed. It won’t be easy because the nominating process is still geared towards delivering the nomination to the chosen GOPe insider, but Donald Trump has a real chance of blowing this wide open. Enjoy this primary while you can, you won’t see anything like it again.


78 posted on 08/24/2015 9:00:19 AM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: Black Agnes

And the big money donors will go to the democrats who will control both houses of congress no matter who wins the white house.


79 posted on 08/24/2015 9:04:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I think that if the markets/economy start to go down big as I expect, this will play right into Trump’s hand.


80 posted on 08/24/2015 9:09:33 AM PDT by GilGil
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