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We tried using Windows 10 for real work and ... oh, the HORRORS (actually a good in-depth review)
The Register ^ | July 7, 2015 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 07/07/2015 6:16:20 PM PDT by dayglored

Every time I've looked at Windows 10, it hasn't been long before I've run away screaming. As recently as May the ISO was nowhere near ready for prime time. Testing Windows 10 seemed to me like volunteering to be an unpaid drug trial guinea pig – it would be painful and could potentially give you horrible side effects, and you wouldn't even have an envelope of cash at the end to show for it.

Keeping my distance from the very bleeding edge betas gives me some advantages, though. Like a sense of perspective. While bloggers and fanbois get excited over minuscule tweaks, and hail small improvements as earth-shattering milestones ("really polished now," they insist) my criteria are much simpler.

Is this simpler, or better, for getting work done than Windows 7 or 8.1? I'll attempt to answer that here, with the third of Microsoft's releases from last week – build 10162. If you have mostly or completely ignored Windows 10 so far, this is for you.

Overall, there's a lot to like about the overall ambition. I can see, in the far away distance, how Microsoft's disparate services are starting to knit together. I can almost imagine – without hallucinogenic drugs, although I am sure they'd help – how one could swap out a Mac and pick up a PC without too much difficulty. But not yet.

Using Windows 10 in its current state is a bit like getting a whiff of a really outstanding restaurant and being told that, for now, you have to settle for a motorway service station pasty. Do ignore the hardcore enthusiasts babbling away excitedly on fan forums: coming from 8.1, this build still feels very, very raw.

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To: TomGuy

My windows xp crashed. I got an 8.1. Of course had to get the new “and improved” Office stuff. Doing stuff in Excel that was second nature is now such a drag. And more than just learning the new way - it takes several more motions to do something (like editing the way a data chart looks). And the old Office (2001) won’t even work on the 8.1. It is really frustrating trying to get work done and the software is fighting me every step of the way.


41 posted on 07/07/2015 8:58:13 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

[[Why does Microsoft require me to learn new behaviors when they decide to upgrade their operating systems.]]

Exactly- Also windows 10 apparently is now taking choice away- by forcing home users into automatic updates- no more choice to delay or defer the updates- and apparently not just ‘critical’ updates but also ‘recommended’ updates and driver updates as well

Als, not liking htier ‘new improved’ start menu, which they claim is ‘like windows 7’ but isn’t- they’ve removed some handy features like beign able to ad control panel flyout menu, and adding in floating icon based apps (which you can delete- but still)

Don’t like that it’s also got ‘phone home’ applications, and I do NOT want to go to an app based desktop- I want simple minimalist icons just like I have now-

Why the hell can’t they either leave well enough alone, or at least give us the OPTION to retain the ‘classic look’ completely? And why are they forcing us into automatic updates?

I’m sure it will have some cool features as well- but I’m notl iking the negatives so far


42 posted on 07/07/2015 9:32:36 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: dayglored

Eh? He really didn’t talk about it at all....


43 posted on 07/07/2015 9:37:16 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: Thorliveshere

Sorry, I see now... pays to read more than the first page. Durh...don’t mind me.


44 posted on 07/07/2015 9:38:47 PM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: 21twelve

I have several machines, my favorite however is my Surface Pro 2.

I like Win 8.1 and I’m disappointed that they are making such big changes in it with 10.

I use Office ‘97 on my Surface, it runs beautifully and unbelievably fast. I don’t want anything with ribbons on it, and I sure don’t want anything that I have to pay for over and over again.

I can’t imagine getting rid of my Note 3 for a windows phone but if 10 works well I may consider trying it as long as they have a really good platform to run it on.

I did get a little Lenovo tablet to try out 8.1 on before I got the Surface, the Surface is 10 times better and much, much faster, it never fails, never has to be re-booted and makes a wonderful reading machine. I do wish the battery would last more than the 6 hours I get out of it.

I suppose I will put 10 on it and see how it goes but will likely wait a good while before changing.


45 posted on 07/07/2015 9:40:58 PM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: az_gila

[[So yes, you do have to re-learn some behaviors in your new car. ]]

Been driving for 50 years now- gas pedal, brake, blinkers, windsheild wiper lever, mirror, speedometer, etc, all I n the samep laces I expect them to be- I don’t have to stop the car, get out, pop the trunk just to see how fast I’m going, Nor do I have to open the ashtray to flick the turn signal now-

The point being that it’s not just little cosmetic things that Microsoft keeps changing but big major things that SHOULD BE universal features that don’t get touched for the most part- I’m tired of always having to relearn an os- hacking it to get it to look and act like you want (Had to do a hack to get control panel flyout menu on windows 7) etc-

Leave my gas pedal and brakes and blinkers etc alone please- That’s all we ask- I like my minimalist look- don’t want tiles- I’m used to my icons to open things- don’t want big guamy tiles floating all over the place


46 posted on 07/07/2015 9:44:07 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: az_gila

Still cannot find the floorboard for the high beams :)


47 posted on 07/07/2015 9:46:49 PM PDT by billphx
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To: billphx

floorboard switch :)


48 posted on 07/07/2015 9:48:33 PM PDT by billphx
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To: Cold Heat

“But it is time to bite the bullet and get accustomed to tiles”

If I’m being forced to bite the bullet, maybe I should just learn Apple. I never have, but MS is sucking worse every day.


49 posted on 07/07/2015 9:50:16 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: dayglored

[[The twin of Win8’s godawful UI popped up and stood between me and getting any work done. I wasted so much time just trying to do the simplest things,]]

Yep- I’ve got better things to do than have to relearn something that is working perfectly good before they go and mess it up with their new os-

It’s like a photosite I have- the4y are constantly changing it just for the sake of changing it- I can’t tell you the hours and hours ive wasted with their techs trying to get the site working right- overtime they make a change, something gets messed up- and this is a major site too- 500px to be exact- 4 years on and the same crap is still happening- jjust get everything figured out, and then some techie decides we don’t really know what we like for aesthetics, and they change it on us- and now I’ve got to change how I use the site- AGAIN!


50 posted on 07/07/2015 9:51:46 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: az_gila

“Don’t know about Honda, but most auto makers change the user interface over the different model years.”

I can speak from experience that BMW and Audi (and I expect VW) have rather amazing continuity of “interface” between versions even 10, 15, 20 years apart.

Stuff that works gets left alone, instead of continually changing it for change’s sake. Improved for sure.


51 posted on 07/07/2015 10:24:02 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: mrsmith

” ...there is no Charms bar in Windows 10.”

Please excuse my ignorance, but what in the heck are “Charms”. Breakfast cereal? In the past 30 years of computer use, I have never heard that silly term. Could be I missed it when I dumped Vista in favor of Linux about five years ago. I have not missed Windows; no, not a bit.


52 posted on 07/07/2015 10:49:36 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Sgt_Schultze; dayglored

My first foray into home computing was with a portable CPM machine with two slots for 5 1/4” discs, separate monitor and dot matrix printer. I remember what I had to go through to accomplish the most simple tasks. Then Microsoft came along and made my life so much more simple with their constant revisions of operating systems and programs.(sarc) Config.sys and autoexec.bat were my constant go-to’s to make anything work. Windows 7 isn’t perfect; but as far as I can tell having dealt with Win 8 and 8.1 and having read as much as I could find regarding Win 10, including this latest article, Microsoft is well past it’s zenith as far as ease of use and the home user is concerned. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! With any luck Microsoft will lose their butt on this one and as Rhett Butler said, “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn”.

If only there was a fall back OS by another maker. Don’t even mention Linux as I’m done trying to fix stuff that should work out-of-the-box and Apple is out of range.


53 posted on 07/07/2015 11:20:40 PM PDT by chulaivn66 (Meine antwort ist nein. Ende der Debatte. Macht euer Spiel.)
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To: dayglored
80% of my daily work and 30-40% of my play at home involves getting a remote shell over SSh. Gotta have it...

If you're managing Windows systems, just use remote PS sessions. Enter-PSSession computername and providing the remote system has PS remoting enabled, you'll have an interactive PS Session running on that system. Exit-PSSession and you're back to working in the PS Session on your local system.

54 posted on 07/08/2015 3:30:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dayglored; some tech guy
If Microsoft wants to put that experimental, teen/phone-oriented, focus-group-generated crap in a consumer UI, that's their business. But making it the primary interface on a serious server that serious network admins have to work on, is incomprehensibly dumb.

The default install of Server 2016 is going to be Server Core. You can install the GUI stack if you want, but by default your UI is going to be a PS console session.

55 posted on 07/08/2015 3:41:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: some tech guy
Because they know they’re playing catch-up. They make radical changes in an attempt to reach Apple.
I just wish they didn’t do it with their server software, which is good.

There's going to be some fairly radical changes in Server 2016 (like nano server and DSC), but I wouldn't characterize that as an attempt to "play catch-up" to Apple by any stretch of the imagination. This is not like anything Apple has ever had.

56 posted on 07/08/2015 3:51:44 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: dayglored

PFL


57 posted on 07/08/2015 4:24:48 AM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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To: 21twelve

Similar here.

I have Win7. Those ‘ribbon’ menus are the most ridiculous developments ever.

I don’t do much ‘real’ computing now that I am retired, but when I do want to do some serious spreadsheet or wordprocessing, I load EXCEL or WORD 97. I can do what I need to do in them by the time I figure out where the various features are in the 2010 ribbon menu.

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I have also stopped using many programs over the years because their ‘new and improved upgrade’ dropped the exact unique feature(s) I used the program for.

I never understood why a software program would remove features or completely change the way a feature operated in an upgrade.


58 posted on 07/08/2015 5:10:33 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: dayglored

I’ve been told I will be receiving a free copy of Win10 - and I’ll be TOLD when to download it.

I’m not sure I like that .. and I’m still upset about losing XP - which was my favorite.

So, later today I will read through this and let everybody know what I think.


59 posted on 07/08/2015 6:15:43 AM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: dayglored
Using Windows 10 in its current state is a bit like getting a whiff of a really outstanding restaurant and being told that, for now, you have to settle for a motorway service station pasty.

Wow. That just doesn't sound pleasant at all.

60 posted on 07/08/2015 6:19:31 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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