How about all Southern haters can KMA.
Posted on 06/30/2015 8:03:47 AM PDT by rickmichaels
Does anyone else find it odd that the latest U.S. mass-killing rampage somehow morphed almost immediately into a controversy over a flag? Even the push-button liberal machine for promoting gun control, which usually kicks into gear very quickly after events like the nine murders at the Emanuel African Methodist Church in Charleston, S.C., briefly got distracted this time before eventually finding its feet.
America is in an unusually race-sensitive mode right now, even by its own standards, and one is inclined to suspect that the so-called “Confederate flag” took over the discussion largely because of the recent Civil War consciousness-raising by Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is the big star amongst black American intellectuals at the moment. Coates has been, as much out of curiosity as anything — there is no non-clichéd way to say this — forcing a nation to confront its deep past in unfamiliar ways.
The U.S. Civil War is the definitive piece of unfinished historical business and the recurring cultural presence of the Confederate flag is a pretty good indicator of that. It is still pretty strange for a flag debate to arise from a mass murder. The killer who shot up a church meeting was attached to that flag, but, like many solitary Internet race theorists who hanker to become men of action, he would have worn, and did wear, any emblem that was capable of making anti-racists uncomfortable. If the Confederate flag is driven out of sight in American society tomorrow, the real-life trolls will come up with something else, a subtler, more adaptable visual code, the next day.
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No, it is not off-topic.
mbarker12474, you are falling prey to Alinsky's Rule #4 for Radicals.
“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
By exhorting Conservatives to "be polite" and wear kid-gloves - although the Left will continue slinging mud - gives them the advantage.
Sometimes, claiming the moral high ground is a loser's game. You are playing right into their hands - and encouraging us to do likewise.
Regards,
How about all Southern haters can KMA.
Your post indicates vile weakness in the face of tyranny.
If you have any decency you would seriously study the history of the flag.
Notice the flag is the superposition of the reverse colors of the Cross of St. Andrew (which is a white X on a blue field) and the Cross of St. Patrick (which is a red X on a white field).
Bravo central_va!!!!
If it is socially acceptable to douse the white house in “gay’ symbolic colors, which represent the right to prefer anal sex, then it is < expletive deleted > acceptable to hoist the CBF. What kind of sicko punks are posting or Free Republic?
I am certain there are a number of leftist and GOPe subversives here.
The CBF is a wonderful rallying symbol against the onslaught of the evil left.
It's like showing the cross to a Vampire -- the evil left can't stand the site of the flag, which is why is should be flown everywhere.
Go F yourself. I will proudly fly my Rebel Flag until the day I die.
Spot on my friend!
You mean like ....this ?
U.S. Citizens Sign Petition to Ban the American Flag & Issue a New Design for the New World Order
THE TRUTH ABOUT CONFEDERATE HISTORY
— And It’s Not What You’ve Been Taught
“Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased – they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!”
Source: America’s Freedom Fighters
MARCH 13, 2015
BY DEAN JAMES
History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispel some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH – The War of 1861 – 1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT – Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, “Why not let the South go in peace?” To which he replied, “I can’t let them go. Who would pay for the government?” Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion. Lincoln never had the heart-massaging idea to use “Slavery” as the reason until more than a year after the shooting started when Frederick Douglas suggested it as a way to get sympathy for the bloodshed.
MYTH – Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT – Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and even after the War Of Northern Aggression.
Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn’t free his slaves earlier, Grant stated “Good help is so hard to come by these days.”
Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased – they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!
MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT – NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portuguese brought slaves to this country, not the Southern Nation.
BUT, even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products made from raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.
FACT – Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.
The First National flag was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National flag was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National flag was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag was never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the “Stars & Bars”.
FACT – A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the “Stars & Bars”. The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the “Southern Cross”.
MYTH – The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT – The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that vilify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH – The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT – No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it’s commodities. It wasn’t until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH – Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
FACT – While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.
MYTH – The South revered slavery.
FACT – A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it’s servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH – The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT – Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH – Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT – Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH – The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.
FACT – Quite the contrary. These despicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE – NOT HATE.
MYTH – The SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.
FACT – This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendants of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.
The SCV – Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.
This article originally appeared at http://www.rulen.com/
1. Are you advocating the passage of legislation to prohibit, fine, or otherwise regulate or sanction the flying of certain flags? If so, then what flags, exactly? The "Stars and Bars?" The "Confederate Battle Flag?" The Hammer and Sickle? The Half-Moon? The Mexican Flag. The "La Raza" Flag?
No. I do not support legislation to ban flags and symbols. I suggest instead that individuals, of their own free will, refrain from the public, in-your-face display of the rebel flag. I also believe that government bodies and (nearly all) commercial institutions and (nearly all) civic bodies should, of their own accord, refrain from in-your-face displays of the rebel flag.
2. When did you come to this realization (that it is "an act of public indecency / impolite")? Would you - without prompting - honestly have made that same assessment five years ago, upon, e.g., accidentally catching a few seconds of a re-run of "The Dukes of Hazzard" or seeing a hippie traipsing down the street with a Confederate patch sewn to the butt of his jeans? What about fifteen years ago? 40 years ago?
When I was about 21 years old, over 30 years ago, I resolved to never again tell racial jokes about black people. About this same time I came to regard the confederate flag as heavily symbolic of I-do-not-like-blacks racism. Whatever its merits to its owner and waver as a positive / innocuous symbol of southern pride, cultural pride, redneck pride, states rights, confederate soldier pride, military pride, hell-raising pride, etc., it also carries heavy baggage as a symbol of the hateful, violent, stupid, negro-hating, hater. But perhaps more than that, I always thought it was just a silly emblem that declared "I am a doofus redneck."
I take individual rights, states rights, property rights, rule of law, Christianity, the Bible, limited government, and the U.S. Constitution seriously. The rebel flag carries none of these connotations for me. It is not offensive to me -- it's just silly. But to many innocent people -- and I'm not talking about the Alinsky crowd or the racist race-baiting crowd -- it is a symbol of violence and misguided hate.
I respect the sincerity and calmness of your response - but must point out that it is the individual viewer who imbues the symbol (or flag) with meaning ("baggage"). [This is, of necessity, true for all symbols.]
The Christian Cross might also be held to carry "baggage" (persecution of the Jews, the Crusades, the forced conversion of native peoples, etc.) - one could just as easily argue that it is likewise "tasteless" or "offensive" and should therefore also be removed from public view.
I would prefer not to allow my political adversaries to define what symbols, words, or ideas I can and cannot, in good taste, wear, show, or speak.
Regards,
“that flag represents mostly an FU and middle finger to those who support the end of slavery, the end of segregation, and the treatment of black-skinned persons with equality and humanity and Christian decency.”
Since when? You’re an ignorant idiot if THAT’S what you think. Slave ships were registered to the north and the north had slaves and significant Jim Crowe laws, not to mention Lincoln himself said in his inaugural address that he did not wish to abolish slavery, and he wrote many times that blacks were inferior to whites and should not be allowed into free States nor to marry whites.
You have no idea what the Confederate Battle flag represents, but it sure doesn’t represent the crap you said.
Would you consider providing a short summary of such things as federalism, the Articles of Confederation and the Bill of Rights? The "Confederacy" would seem obvious but lurking DUmpers and even some freepers might benefit. Now, off I go to my sewer work ... (yeah, I know: "Don't bite your nails.")
“short” heh. Cliff notes?
Cant wait to get and fly the two confederate flags I just bought.
“Never let a good crisis go to waste, “ Satan.
We should all fly the stars and bars. I think I am going to get a couple. But which one? I think I will go with the first version. My very own rebel flag to fly on ALL US holidays to show my own personal rebellion against government tyranny.
Take that Obama and Jeb!
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