Posted on 06/24/2015 11:34:27 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
My daughter's car's Timing Belt Broke this morning(she thinks) and we are deciding whether to fix it or get rid of it.
No engine runs without one.
My 57 has a chain not a belt and my 67 Camaro I installed gears in my souped up engine.
The reason I bring this up is not to rag on Aveos but because I think the new cars are unfixable. The tradeoff is gas mileage, but I’m working on that.
I got T-boned by an 8-pointer a couple of years ago. No fun.
“My car also has a timing chain.”
Still no guarantee for an interference engine. Had a Nissan Axxes mini van years ago. Had a funny rattle ever since new. One day at 50K miles it crapped out in the road. Trying to restart it, something went very wrong. Turns out they had a problem with defective hydraulic chain tensioners in that model. Skipped a tooth or two and pow, rebuilt engine time.
Timing chains and gears can last many years. (Well they can on the cars that don’t have the phenolic gears). Belts need to be changed often.Planned obsolescence?
Found this:
Q
CHAIN CAM?: Which Engines Have Timing Chains or Gear Trains instead of Timing Belts?
A
Alfa Romeo 159 and Brera 2.2 litre 4 cylinder and 3.0 litre V6 petrol engines.
Audi: 1.4TSI and 1.4TFSI (but EA211 1.4TFSI ACT is belt cam), 1.6FSI petrol in A3, 1.8 non turbo petrol and TSI 160 in A4 B8, 2.0 litre 1,984cc 2-1PS EA888 TFSI in A3 and A4 B8, 2.7 and 3.0 V6 TDI, late V8s,
BMW: All models since 1993
Cadillac: All models
Chevrolet: Corvette, Epica 2.0 straight six petrol, Colorado pick up with I-TEQ engine, Spark 1.0 and 1.2, Colorado 2.5 and 3.0 diesels from 2007.
Chrysler: Neon, PT Cruiser, 4.0 straight six, 300C petrol and diesel.
Citroen: C1 1.0 petrol, C3 Picasso 1.6 petrol, C3 1.4 and 1.6 petrol from 2010 model year, C4 petrol from 2010 model year, DS3 1.6 petrol, DS4 1.6 petrol.
Dacia: Duster 1.6 petrol, Sandero and Sandero Stepway 0.9TCe 90, Logan MCV 0.9TCe 90.
Daewoo Musso 2.9 diesel.
Daihatsu: YRV and Terios, Copen 1.3, Sirion 1.3.
FIAT: 1.3 litre Multijet diesel, Sedici 1.6 petrol, 500 875cc TwinAir.
Ford: Ka and Fiesta pushrod 1.3, Ka and Fiesta ohc 1.3, Ka 1.6, C-Max and Focus 1.8 125ps, and 2.0 145ps, all Mondeo 2001 - 2006, all Mondeo V6s, Mondeo 2.0 litre 4 cylinder petrol engines from 2007 including SCTI 200 and 240, Galaxy 2.3 and V6, Transit 2.2 litre diesel from 2012, Ranger 2.2 litre and 3.2 litre diesels.
Honda: all Jazz, all 2006 Civic including 1.8i-VTEC, all 2.0 litre 4-cylinder from 2002, including CR-V, 2.2iCDTI diesel, 2.4 4-cylinder, 1.6iDTEC diesel, 2.2iDTEC diesel, 1.6iDTEC diesel.
Hyundai: i10 1.0 and 1.2, i20 1.2, 1.4 petrol and 1.4 diesel, ix20 1.4, 1.6 and 12.6 diesel; i30 1.4 and 1.6 petrol, 1.6 diesel, ix35 1.7 diesel, 2.0 diesel, i800 2.5 diesel, Santa Fe 2.2 diesel (from January 2010); Grandeur 3.3V6 petrol.
Isuzu: 2007 twin-cam 2.5 and 3.0 I-TEQ diesel in D-Max and Rodeo pick-ups.
Jaguar: all models, including X-Type 2.0 litre and 2.2 litre diesels, but excluding 2.7V6 diesel and 3.0V6 diesel and 2.2 litre 4-cylinder diesel fitted to XF.
Jeep Compass 2.2 diesel from 2011 (Mercedes diesel engine); all 3.0 V6 diesels (Mercedes or VM Motori).
KIA: 1.1 3 cylinder diesel in new Rio, 1.4 petrol in new Rio, 1.0 and 1.2 petrol engines in new Picanto, all 1.5 diesels in Cerato and old Rio; 2.5 diesel in old Sorento; Ce’ed 1.4 and 1.6 petrol, 1.6 diesel; 1.4 petrol, 1.6 petrol and 1.4 diesel in Venga; all engines in Optima, including 1.7 twin-turbo diesel; 1.6 GDI, 1.7, 2.0 and 2.2 R Type diesels in Sportage, new Sorento and Sedona.
LandRover 2.2 litre Ford transit diesel from 2012.
Lexus: IS250V6, IS220 diesel.
Mazda: all 2008 model Mazda 2 except diesel, all Mazda 3 except diesel, Mazda MX5 1.8 and 2.0 from 2005, Mazda 5 except diesel, all 2002 - 2008 Mazda 6 except diesel, all 2009 model Mazda 3 and Mazda 6 except diesel, Mazda 2.2 diesel. All Mazda Skyactiv 2.0 petrol and 2.2 diesel engines.
Mercedes: all models including A Class, but excluding 2012 model A Class 1,461cc diesel and Citan van with Renault 1,461cc diesel engine which are belt cam.
MINI: all models including 1.4 diesel, and 1.6 N47 diesel and 2.0 diesel from 2011, but not 2007-2010 1.6 diesel.
Mitsubishi: All Colts, petrol and diesel, Shogun and L200 2.8 and 3.2 diesels, ASX 1.8VVT diesel, 2.2 litre diesel manual in Mk II Overland.
Nissan: all Primera petrol, all recent Micra, Almera, Primera models (except Micra 1.5 diesel and older Primera 2.0 diesel), Qashqai 2.0 diesel, 2.0 petrol, X-Trail 2.2 diesel 2.0 petrol and 2.5 petrol and 2007 X-Trail 2.0 diesel, Note and Juke 1.4 and 1.6 petrol (not 1.5 diesel), Navara, Pathfinder and Murano 2.5 diesel, Navara and Pathfinder 3.0V6 diesel, 350Z, 370Z.
Peugeot: 107 1.0 1.0 litre petrol, 207 2007 MY 1.6 120PS and 150PS, 308 1.6 petrol.
Perodua: MYVI 1.3.
Renault: Clio 0.9TCe 90 petrol and 1.2TCe 115 petrol; Captur 1.2TCe 115 petrol, Scenic and Megane 1.2TCe 115 petrol and 1.4TCe 130 petrol, Scenic 2.0 diesel, Laguna 2.0 diesel, Laguna Coupe 2.0 diesel and 3.0V6 diesel, Renault 1.6DCI 130 diesel.
SAAB: all turbo petrol 4 cylinder engines and 2.2 diesel, but not 1,796cc 1.8i and not 1,910cc diesel.
SEAT: 1.2 litre 3-cylinder petrol engine, 1.4 litre TSI up to 2012 when replaced by belt cam EA211, 1.6 litre FSI,1.8 litre TSI 160, 2.0 litre 1,984cc 2-1PS EA888 TFSI and Alhambra V6.
SKODA: 1.2 litre 3-cylinder petrol engine, 1.6 litre FSI, 1.4 litre TSI up to 2012 when replaced by belt cam EA211), 1.8 litre TSI 160, 2.0 litre 1,984cc 2-1PS EA888 TFSI.
Smart: All FourFours, petrol and diesel.
Subaru: flat-four ‘Boxer’ 2.0 litre diesel from 2008, Subaru H6 three litre petrol.
Suzuki: 1.0 litre, 1.2 and 1.3 petrol engines, SX4 1.6 petrol, Grand Vitara 2.4 petrol.
Ssangyong Musso 2.9 diesel.
Toyota: Aygo 1.0 petrol; IQ 1.0 petrol, 1.4 diesel; all 1.0, 1.3, 1.5 VVTi and 1.4D-4D Yaris; 1.5 Prius; 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 Corolla VVTi petrol and 1.4 D-4D; 1.8 MR2; all Auris engines; 1.8, 2.0 and 2.4 Avensis and Verso VVTi petrol from 2003, Avensis 2.0 and 2.2 diesel only from July 2006; 2.0 RAV-4 VVTi petrol, 2.2 RAV-4 diesel from 2006; LandCruiser LC 4.0 V6 petrol.
Vauxhall: Agila 1.0 12v, 1.2 16v; 1.3CDTI, Corsa 1.0 12v, 1.2 16v; 1.4 1,364cc petrol and petrol turbo (fitted to Adam, Astra, Meriva, Zafira Tourer and Insignia); 1.3CDTI; DI 16v 1.7, 2.0 and 2.2 diesels; 2.2 petrol in Vectra and VX220, but not 2.2 petrol Omega; new 1.6CDTI deom 2013.
VW: 1.2 litre 3-cylinder petrol engine, 1.4 Litre FSI and TSI and TFSI up to 2012 when replaced by belt cam EA211, 1.6 litre FSI, 1.8 litre TSI 160, 2.0 litre 1,984cc 2-1PS EA888 TFSI from 2009, Golf VR5 and VR6, Sharan VR6, all Touareg, all Phaeton (later VW 2.5 5 cylinder diesels and 5.0 V10 diesels have gear train driven camshafts rather than belts or chains).
I’m not a YouTube fan but when my lawnmower conked out I found a YouTube video that showed me exactly how to fix it.
A gear drive is better yet.
Those are actually pretty good engines if you keep a fresh belt on them. The car is Daewoo with a Doosan engine I believe. They put them in warehouse size forklifts too.
Ah! So!
If auto makers used gears the consumers would complain about the noise. I wouldn’t.
I have never replaced a timing belt
I vaguely remember something about my Honda recommending it to be replaced at 100K = I have 300K on it and it still runs like new
I always buy Honda’s now...
Honda and Toyota are my favorites, though I had really good luck with a 1977 Subaru DL I bought brand new. After all expenses, including even insurance, and selling it at 140k miles, it cost me six cents a mile to drive. You can barely bicycle commute for that these days. I know, I’ve done the math.
What impala said. If you are reasonably good with tools this is not a bad job. That said interference engines are bad news especially if it broke a piston. Put a belt on it yourself and see if it runs.
“The tradeoff is gas mileage, but I’m working on that.”
I would just grab a JC Whitney (are they still around?) catalog and start ordering parts. Every part says it will increase mileage 10 or 20%. If you order 10 of these, theoretically you will have to pump gas out of it periodically!
I still laugh at all of those descriptions and hype.
They changed it when your water pump went out and you don’t remember.
I bet I could peel the cogs off your belt with my fingers.
You’re bad.
Right now it’s 2015.
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