Posted on 06/01/2015 12:47:32 PM PDT by StevenCrowder
You don't suppose he just wants to be a chick in order to pay more for haircuts and shoes, do you?
Right now, Western Civ 2015 is rapidly sliding down the drain, and folks like you making excuses for perverts are pushing it along.
photoshop involved on that cover? Didnt think so.
Its fraud pure and simple.
I have no idea. I am of the belief that magazines photoshop EVERYONE on the covers (except conservatives maybe?), so that equalizes it out.
People focusing on them photoshopping this particular cover are doing what we hate the liberals to do: being hypocritical.
Agreed. And they aren’t too kind to addicts either.
Long ago, I didn’t get out much and was once in the same camp
This is just bad science, incorrect science.
No woman is born with a man’s brain. No man is born with a woman’s brain. Their genetics are XX for female, XY for male.
What they COULD be suffering from, is a female body who’s hormone levels are abnormal, and are either creating too much testosterone (for a woman) and too little testosterone/too much estrogen for a man.
Hormonal imbalances can be medically dealt with, and to la lesser extent, through diet as well. For women eating more soy and other estrogen-mimicking substances, and for men, avoiding soy and other estrogen-mimicking substances.
I agree that there is no need to celebrate. It’s ridiculous. It’s people overcompensating for their own discomfort with it all. At least FReepers are honestly uncomfortable, though many are just mocking.
It doesn’t matter. Unless he can change a Y chromosome to an X chromosome he’s still a male of the species.
According to my Bible, gossiping is a far worse sin than sodomy. I’ll go with that. You guys rate sins on their yuck factor.
My concern is that the agenda of all this publicity is that we do owe such people society’s financial and other support. By extension, everyone with any kind of problem (and that includes most of us) deserve the same ... or we have battles between identity groups over who deserves what ... which is pretty much were we are right now, politically
I’m positing the slippery slope argument but I don’t think one can argue that we aren’t already a good way down the slippery slope with identity politics. The extreme publicity of Jenner’s case points to more of the same.
Some people live their entire life with long term mental illnesses. This is no different from people who suffer from Body Integrity Identity disorder. There are people out there who literally feel as if they should have an arm or a leg amputated. Some get over it, some do not, but the mental problem of someone who thinks they are the wrong sex is no different from someone who thinks they should have an arm or leg missing.
That some form of treatment doesn't work does not mean someone is mentally healthy. It just means they haven't figured out or can't treat the cause yet.
I wish Bruce the best too, but the emerging long term research does suggest that increased happiness is not a certainty, though statisticly the risks for things like suicide, mortality and psychiatric morbidity are higher than the general population. Personally I think reassignment, like amputation in my examples, is at best a questionable form of therapy .
Another potential downside is the fact that widespread acceptance will require gender identity disorder to be dropped as a psychiatric diagnosis, presumably ending research into other therapies.
Ad hominem. Never a great argument strategy.
Yes, western Civ is currently praising transsexuals. It may be part of the old commie / world domination agenda. I’m not causing any of it just because I am a conservative who chooses not to mock people with brain disorders.
A lot of mental illness has sexual overtones, including this one of thinking you ought to be female when you have XY chromosome pairs.
I’m sorry. I know that when Laz and other addicts chime in sometimes, there can be strong support. Some of those threads were so kind I got tears in my eyes. But mocking comes quick to the finger around here, even though many people claim to be religious. I’m not perfect with the Golden Rule but I try.
As I noted in my last post, research not seems to be suggesting BIID, which imo shares many characteristics with gender identity disorder including sexual issues, may well be a neurological rather than psychiatric disorder. Yet to suggest gender identity disorder might be psychiatric or neurological in nature is becoming politically incorrect. As will the research.
"Overcompensating"? "Discomfort"?
You misunderstand. We object to both the perversion and to the associated dishonesty.
Mechanically and chemically mutilated men ARE NOT, and NEVER WILL BE women. Mechanically and chemically mutilated women ARE NOT, and NEVER WILL BE women. Claiming otherwise is peddling falsehood. People who do that are called "liars". Your hero Bruce can have his body mechanically mutilated, he can ingest synthetic estrogen, he can call himself Caitlin ... he cannot be a woman. He, and his supporters who claim that he is a woman are lying.
Yes, conservatives object to, and ridicule obvious public liars like Bruce Jenner. Idiots, perverts, and liars pander him and others like him. A foul, perverse, and unGodly culture celebrates him.
Where do you stand?
Choose ye this day ...
I don't remember any particular incidents in the bible where God rained down fire and brimstone on two cities filled with gossipers. I sort of regard the vehemence with which he burned everyone alive as sort of a measure of his tolerance on the subject.
I simply don’t believe we owe anyone from the government / tax payers much of anything. But I know what you mean, taxpayers still pay for abortions every day.
If there were a successful treatment, that worked toward contentment 80% of the time, maybe there would be some foundations and charities to help them. Gender reassignment only works as above about 50%. That is not great. Bruce is hoping to be in that better half.
We agree. There is no known decent treatment yet for people like this.
Your bible apparently lacks a Book of Genesis ... or perhaps someone has excised Chapter 18 and 19 therefrom.
Fascinating.
Now ... if you find "gossip" so heinous that it is worse than Sodomy (the foulness of which cries out to Heaven) ... perhaps you should refrain from engaging in gossip.
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