Posted on 04/02/2015 7:39:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Love Spengler’s writing. So brilliant. Nice to see it here on FR.
Fie on that. Don't forget, all of his disciples and most of the early Christians were Jews. Wise up. If it had not been for that classical misunderstanding, your salvation, should you choose to repent and accept its Author, would not have been accomplished.
A brilliant post. I’ve seen it in other “minority” groups as well. Welcome to the Silent Majority — because we can’t get a word in edgewise at the holidays unless it’s Politically Correct!
Signed,
Refugee from a Protestant+Catholic majority Democrat family embarrassed to admit they are Christians
In the back of their minds I think many Jews worry that conservative Republicans want to discriminate against minorities including Jews. They believe the religious right controls the Republican Party and is a threat to liberty.
For many decades Jews were prominent among the people who worked for civil rights for blacks. Remember, Barry Goldwater and W.F. Buckley, the two biggest conservative names of fifty years ago opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. Even though Goldwater and Buckley later regretted their opposition to the bill, many Jews still identify conservative Republicans as the people and party that would discriminate against them.
Many of them still haven't lost the feeling that conservative Christians can't wait to oppress everybody. Yes, many of them are bone ignorant. I mean, Roseannne Barr anyone?
But your vote is secret.
Until 1936 blacks were solid republicans, and the female vote was more republican than males until the late 1960s, and the democrats were at least as Christian as the republicans, so why were Jews voting against the minorities and for the Christian party of the South and KKK? Why did Jews vote for the Socialist party when it was available, for instance in 1920 when the Socialists got 38% of the Jewish vote, while the blacks were voting republican?
Horowitz says that the Jewish tradition is business (read capitalism) and this and a sturdy work ethic has crated much envy and general hostility toward the Jewish community. Freud discovered late that there is another major human driving motivation which is to be accepted by ones peers. Thus many Jews rejection of Jewishness is to reject capitalism and embrace liberalism.
They managed to corral a number of prominent blacks like Paul Robeson and W.E.B. Dubois. But while persuading most blacks to ditch the Republican Party, the party that freed the slaves, for the communist party was almost an impossible task, it was easy for the Dems to attract blacks in the sixties with promises of civil rights.
Many Dem operatives were socialists at heart and remain so today. The northern Dems, which had a lot of Jewish members, wasn't nearly as racist as the southern Dems. Certainly, Jews weren't going to be attracted to any party that was considered overtly Christian or religious.
Lol!!
We all need a Coming Out song. Maybe a parade... No, wait, that is taking it too far. :)
Exactly, and not just that “everyone” says not to do that. Everyone will make FUN of you. Forget the best parties. Forget the access to the good table. Expect derision and avoidance.
Why do you think Alinsky methods work so well? People would rather be hit with a wooden stick than made fun of.
Like I said, they were lefties, and they have always voted for the politics that they support.
Jews vote liberal, because they are liberal, they are not mouth breathing idiots that don't know the two different parties and which one they personally prefer.
The exception would be Jews in Britain who tended to be Conservative, at least until recently. It's the exception that proves the rule, because British Jews did feel excluded from the heavy working class emphasis of the Labour Party.
As you say, it's also easier for outsider or marginal groups to rise in a party of outsiders. The way isn't blocked by members of the prevailing majority. It was easier for the Irish and the Jews to rise in the Democratic Party because all the places weren't already taken. The Italians, who came later and found the Irish and Jews already settled in the Democratic Party, sometimes found that they could make their way up as Republicans.
The other factor is that there's a strong collective emphasis in Eastern European Jewry. That may have a lot to do with the history of socialism in Eastern Europe. Jewish liberals like to relate that collective feeling to the Biblical prophets, but it wasn't ever as strong in German or Sephardic Jews as it was in those from Russia.
It might also have something to do with the feeling that Yiddish speaking Eastern Europe was the closest thing Jews had to a homeland for centuries. Jews elsewhere were fewer in numbers so there wasn't such a strong group consciousness.
A lot of the talk about Jews and politics echoes liberal or leftist talk about people from Middle America voting against their true interests by pulling the Republican level. People, whether Jews in New York or Los Angeles or Gentiles in Kansas or Oklahoma, probably have a better idea of what their "true interests" are than outsiders trying to score political points.
FWIW, "Spengler" has some pretty strange ideas about the "dying peoples" of Europe and elsewhere. They may not be reproducing at a great rate, but he might at least consider that the fertility obsession just may be his own more than anybody else's.
“Jewish friends whose daughter and grandchild lives in Israel. They are conservatives.”
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My roommate in graduate school went to Israel to study for a summer and came back telling me that it was the biggest party he’d ever been to. Topless beaches, dancing from sun up to sun up, lots of young tourists from Europe who really let their hair down. I think that people may get a stereotypical “Holy Land” impression when they think of Israel, but there is a whole lot of secularism in Israel.
Jews can't go back to "Temple" because it hasn't been rebuilt yet.
Synagogues are not "temples." The "Reform" call them that because they are supersessionists who deny that the Jerusalem Temple will ever be rebuilt. They think their synagogues have taken its place.
This raises an interesting question. Why is it that the conservative chrstian majority have historically had so much trouble identifying with fellow-chrstians of "minority" ethnicities? Really, does this make any sense? People just assume the word "chrstian" means "white person" and then "Blacksandhispanics" (one word) automatically morph into non-chrstian "victims of chrstianity!" I know that no one's perfect and people are just human but maybe--just maybe--if chrstians had been chrstians first instead of "white" or "Black" or "Hispanic" or "Asian" or whatever we wouldn't even be in this mess today.
Meanwhile, liberal Jews look with such tender solicitude on non-Jewish and nominally chrstian minority communities, treating them almost as Lost Tribes of Israel.
You know, none of this really makes any sense.
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2540/jewish/Cold-Soup.htm
...This insanity is what makes us Jewish. This is what shows how special we are in our relationship with God.
That’s called truth. It’s not about me. I don’t want to be religious. I don’t want to believe in God; I don’t want to hear about this. But He wants me here, so here I am.
The same thing happens on Passover. Every Jew sits by a Seder. Ask the average Jew at a Seder, do you believe in God? Leave me alone. Are you religious? He chokes on the matzah laughing. So you’re celebrating the Exodus from Egypt 3300 years ago? History is not my subject. Then why are you here? Where should I be? It’s Passover! That’s what’s so magnificent about the Jew...
i did not know that—all my Jewish friends are Reform. The Temble will be rebuilt after Iran blows up the Mosque at the Dome of the Rock.
Agree with most of your statements. If you read comments by many American Jews who vote for Dems, they associate conservative Republicans with oppression of minorities and restrictions on civil rights. That view is a crock, but that’s what many of them think.
It’s not that Jews absolutely will not vote for Republicans. There have been a number of elected Jewish Republicans like Jacob Javits and Michael Bloomberg. But they tend to be liberal Republicans. At least on social issues.
And today many Jews associate the Republican Party with fundamentalist Christians. While those types of Christians do influence party policy (for the better in my opinion), it turns off many non-religious Jews.
So if Republicans dropped all the social issues and just went straight Libertarian on everything, would many of those Dem-voting Jews jump ship?
Some probably would, but like my parents, breaking off identification with a party you’ve been a member of for many years is tough for a lot of people.
I don’t favor the Republican Party dropping social issues. That’s one big reason I vote Republican after decades of being a Democrat myself.
But there have been a number of liberal Jews who left the Dem Party. Actor Ron Silver, playwright David Mamet, and comedian Evan Sayet are all previously liberal Jews who turned to the Republican Party after many years, decades on the other side. They can be persuaded.
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