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What magically delicious lucky charms have Pats used upon fumble-free footballs? [Ballghazi Vanity]
Colofornian | Feb. 25, 2015 | Colofornian

Posted on 02/25/2015 10:52:34 AM PST by Colofornian

Sunday -- March 1-- begins the 25th annual recognition of Irish-American recognition month as recognized by the United States Congress. Why, St. Patrick's Day parades have been going on in Boston for over 275 years to the delight of crowds' cheers and whistles.

And, for these past 40 days, it appears a distinct type of whistle-blowing has entered the New England landscape: Whistle-blowers of alleged East Coast NFL shenanigans have been turned up to high volume. The pursuit? To discover if any roguish tricksterism by Brady & his Boston-based Patriotic Leprauchans these past eight years might be evidenced by “the stats.”

In fact, the latest turn in the unfolding drama is late last week when the Colts General Manager unveiled that the Colts had alerted the NFL about possible Patriot shenanigans before its January 18 playoff game! (And, 'twas e'en a hint of the NFL possibly running a “sting” on the Pats!) See: There’s a glaring contradiction in NFL’s Deflategate timeline ['Ballghazi' Pats' sting?] for more details!)

Trolling for trickster-based Super-Bowl bound treasure

Indeed, some analysts have been...
...trolling for statistical patterns which might...
...unearth...
...certain NFL buried treasure
(In this case -- underinflated footballs that become easy-peasy to catch in pelting rain and, as a follow-up, almost-magical footballs which seemingly refused to become fumbled ones. Ah, such is the making of end-of-the-rainbow Super Bowl treasure indeed!)

The named 'knomes': 'DeflateGate' & 'Ballghazi' & 'Pat-Flattened Pigskins?': Leprechauns on the Loose in New England?

These knomes have even acquired names – and, of course, they come in triplets like the Shamrock:

'Deflategate'

How was it 11 of a dozen Patriot footballs came to be deflated below NFL standards by halftime of the Jan. 18 playoff game with the Colts?

'Ballghazi'

How was it that the Patriots were your average 1.6 to 1.8-fumble-per-game football team 1999-2006 and by 2007 not a single Patriot running back fumbled on a running play...as in NO rushing fumbles all season long...stretching into the post-season for all three playoff games as well? (And then that type of fumble-free patterns stretched not only three extra games, but eight YEARS!)

'Pat-Flattened Pigskins?': Leprechauns on the Loose in New England?

How might a statistical analyst give his “best case” that leprechauns are indeed at large in New England?

Well, what if I told you that the Patriots' defense fumbled the ball...
...more often in (take your pick which of these following seasons) – 2003, 2002, 2001, 1999 than the Patriots' running backs did rushing the ball in 2007 – even including all three playoff games?
...Or their defense fumbled the ball as often in 2001 as the Patriots' running backs did rushing the ball for the entire 2007 and 2008 seasons combined (35 games including three playoff games)?!
...Or their defense fumbled the ball as much combining regular seasons 1999-2003 as did the Patriots running backs' rushing the ball combining regular seasons 2007-2008 and 2010-2011?

(Now you know what the job description of a New England leprechaun is every pre-game!)

Beyond that, just compare the 2006-2007 seasons and broader patterns (either 2000-2014, or 2003-2014)

Charting a Snapshot of 'Ballghazi's' 'Ghost': A

Category 2006 NE Season 2007 NE Season
Overall fumbles 31 (27 regular season) 17 (14 regular season)
Rushing fumbles by Patriot running backs 7 (19 games, including 3 playoffs) 0 (19 games, including 3 playoffs)
Fumble rate per game Avg team: 1.5 vs. NE's 1.6 Avg team: 1.6 vs. NE's 0.8 (Less fumbles by half!) Note: Even indoor based teams averaged 1.55 fumbles per game)
Brady's Completion % 61.8% 68.9%

Charting a Snapshot of 'Ballghazi's' 'Ghost': B

Fumbles by Teams Per Game
2003-2006 NE 2003-2006 Other 31 teams 2007-2014 NE 2007-2014 Other 23 Outdoor teams 2007-2014 Indoor-based teams (8)
1.46 1.6 0.96 [this is improvement of 1 less fumble every 2 games vs. previous NE teams] 1.46 [this means one more fumble every 2 games than NE] 1.29 [this means one more fumble every 3 games than NE]
Source for most raw fumbles-per-games stats: NFL Team Fumbles per Game: Per Year 2014 → 2003

Shenanigan naysaying

Yet despite an NFL-on-the-record fine for a certain Bostonian coach's reputation for shelling out shenanigans ensued by a current NFL-paid attorney investigating the whole football shakedown, many naysayers still doubt these knomes actually exist beyond the legion of urban legends.

So, for certain NFL attorneys who may want to delve into local Boston lore, what pot o' gold nuggets of evidence seems to suggest shenanigans on the loose going back about 8 years?

Note: before assessing chart below, it might be of help to review Warren Sharp's original chart on 19 of these players below:

* Jan. 28, 2015 “update”: New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams)

* See also: January 22, 2015: The New England Patriots Prevention of Fumbles is Nearly Impossible and...

* January 23 2015 Slate: Dumb Luck: The New England Patriots’ prevention of fumbles is nearly impossible.

Pat stats: Considerations Weighing Against/For – Sudden Shameful Shamrock Shenanigans in New England

Indicators of 'Deflategate' & 'Ballghazi' as Urban Legend

Red Flags in Pat Stats Suggesting Shenanigans

1. Warren Sharp's analytics case of embellished fumbles (what was he thinking – or not thinking – anyway?) Sharp treated all fumbles as “equal” & “relevant” research. But, alas, they aren't. Simply put, if a team is accused of doctoring their own footballs, & if special teams use a common pool of balls providing no competitive advantage, then special teams' fumbles are irrelevant & need special segmenting from all analytical charts. This impacted Sharp's charts how? One Sharp chart lists 19 players who were either former Patriots or played elsewhere prior to coming to New England. These 19 lost 124 overall fumbles. The problem is three dozen fumbles occurred during returning a punt or kick. (That's 29% of fumbles in list). 1. The “however” to this is it's an “equal-opportunity” application mistake: On the other side of the ledger – those tracking Pat fumbles 2007-2014 – 9 of 39 fumbles were likewise special teams (23% vs. 29% on other side). In other words: Most of fumbles removed from the balance sheet prove to be “a wash.” All it does is to heighten the number of touches on each comparison side per fumble. It is true -- for sake of only including 'relevant' fumbles as it applies to this case study -- that Sharp's "44 touches per fumble" & "73 touches per fumble is a myth. The actual touches are much higher on both comparative sides. Also, when playoff stats are added to Sharp's charts along with one additional measurement – RB Kevin Faulk – it fleshes out an even a greater “measurement”: The lopsided “touches per fumble” ratio Sharp arrived at – 98 – 67 among those 19 players & 107-53 among the five players with 300+ Patriot touches...grows to 145-87 among 20 players & an astounding 190-70 split among 8 players with 274+ touches (Wes Welker, Laurence Maroney, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Faulk, Danny Woodhead, Sammy Morris, LeGarrette Blount, & Randy Moss)
1a. How did (1) above play out? Wes Welker, for example, returned punts/kickoffs for both Pats & other teams: Therefore, half of his Pat fumbles were irrelevant to case study & ALL of his non-Patriot fumbles were likewise irrelevant. Same with Brandon Tate re: his non-Patriot fumbles (all irrelevant). One would think that including Tate's 11 fumbles in only 35 touches would greatly skew the results to work against Sharp's hypothesis. A dozen other fumbles were likewise removed on the non Pats' side: (Amendola, 5; Moss, 3; Stallworth, 2; + Jordan & Gaffney, 1 apiece). 1a. How the above played out on Pat stat side '07-14: Welker returned punts & kicks for the Pats, too: So half of his fumbles were special teams' related. Amendola & Morris also had each had a special teams' fumbles removed. And tho Sharp didn't include Kevin Faulk in his chart because Faulk only played for the Pats, Faulk is perhaps THE most interesting case study, but not for special teams' sake (Faulk had one special teams' fumble removed from his stat total; beyond that, he only fumbled once in his last five seasons with the Pats - & it was a reception, not a rush. By comparison, in the alleged pre-Ballghazi era, Faulk fumbled it 24 times (4 special teams) over eight seasons: 13 rushing, 7 after catches. IoW, he averaged 1 'relevant' fumble every 35 touches thru 2006; suddenly it mushroomed to 1 'relevant' fumble every 433 touches 2007-2011. IoW, Kevin Faulk himself is the face -- the poster boy -- for 'ballghazi shenanigans'!
2. 'Relevant' fumbles & fumble ratios: When the raw fumbles #s are scrubbed & only 'relevant ones remain, 8 of 19 players Sharp analyzed don't match the “we fumbled more wearing non-Patriot shirts” narrative: Danny Woodhead, Fred Taylor, Brandon Lloyd, Brandon Lafell, Deion Branch & Lamont Jordan all have similar fumble ratio numbers no matter which team they've played for; + Wes Welker, Randy Moss – when properly stripped of those special teams' fumbles – even showed significantly more of a penchant to fumble when playing for the Patriots. 2. Collective stats for 11 Patriots 2007-2014 show only 1 fumble every 472 touches! While some of the Patriot fumble “miserliness” 07-14 are indeed attributable to guys who tend not to fumble often (beyond special teams at least) – Welker, Woodhead, & Laurence Maroney. Yet when the other 15 Rbs & Wide-outs are surveyed, 'twas an “almost impossible” scenario to look @ the stats of 11 of them & realize these 11 combined for almost 1900 touches between them during those 8 seasons, & yet they fumbled only four times: 1889 touches & only four collective fumbles by Green-Ellis, Faulk, Branch, Taylor, Amendola, Lloyd, Lafell, Jordan, Gaffney, Evans, Stallworth – that's only one fumble per 472 touches
3. A fumble-by-fumble review turns up that the players most responsible for Pat fumbles were quarterbacks! “NFL Fumble Pie” is cut up into 5 pieces: Fumbles by Qbs, Rbs, Receivers, Special teams, & the occasional post-interception fumble. For 1999-2006, Pats Qbs made 45% of fumbles; that was reduced to 33% 2007-2014. Sharp (& others including myself) don't want to include Qbs for analysis purposes because they already tend to have an untucked ball in most play situations. The key point here, though, is between 07-14, Pats Qbs + special teams accounted for over half of all team fumbles, leaving less room to “shenanigize” anything 3. The so-called “flip side” of this argument is actually the same argument: Yes, review the fumbles to see who was actually making them, or rather, no longer coming even close to making them. How is it that the Patriot Rbs averaged less than 3 fumbles per season 2007-2014? How is it than when you include playoff games, the Pats average a rushing fumble by a RB or wide-out about once every six games? How did the Pats go through '07 –19 games including playoffs – without its Rbs managing to fumble the ball on a rushing play? (Kevin Faulk had one fumble – but even that came on pass he caught)
4. If you're trying to explain why Brady had his sudden 2007 completion % surge, look no further than Randy Moss. Moss had previously had two 100+ reception years; his new presence in '07 accounted for 98 receptions. 4. Indeed, personnel are very important considerations. And it's personnel breakdown charts like the one below – a corrective revision of Warren Sharp's – listing 19 players that makes the 'Ballghazi' case. (Note: added Kevin Faulk as a 20th player because Faulk had over 430 touches post 2006 & that can be readily compared to his 1999-2006 Patriot seasons where he had 700 touches) – that also provides a “face” to this “ghost” of “Ballghazi.”

Chart Summary: Distinctions between Warren Sharp stats and those below (See Jan. 28, 2015 “update”: New England Patriots Fumble More Often When Playing for Other Teams)

Fumbles-per-touch analytics
STATISTICAL BOUNDARIES COLOFORNIAN'S ANALYTICAL BOUNDARIES WARREN SHARP'S ANALYTICAL BOUNDARIES
Are only 'relevant' fumbles -- non-special teams' fumbles -- included in fumbles per touch comparisons? YES NO (Sharp's are accumulative)
Are playoff stats included in 'relevant' fumbles by touch comparisons? YES NO (Sharp uses only season stats despite very controversy arising in playoff context)
Are pre-2007 Patriots stats included in 'relevant fumbles by touch comparisons? YES NO (Sharp didn't include Kevin Faulk as he only played for NE; & he didn't use Deion Branch, Ben Watson & Laurence Maroney pre-2007 Pat stats: Yet these stats are relevant for comparison sake)

Comparing Individual Player Statistics when Playing for New England Patriots 2007-->2014 vs Playing for other NFL teams or playing for the Patriots before 2007

Left side: NE PLAYER: 07-14 Right side: NON-NE PLAYER + NE PLAYERS PRE-2007
NAME RECEPTIONS RUSHES TOUCHES 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES* 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES PER TOUCH RECEPTIONS RUSHES TOUCHES 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES 'RELEVANT' FUMBLES PER TOUCH
Wes Welker 741 21 762 6 relevant (other 6 on special teams) 1 per 127 237 1 238 0 relevant (all 13 on special teams) Less than 1 per 238
Laurence Maroney 45 644 689 5 1 per 138 5 67 72 3 1 per 24
BenJarvus Green-Ellis 31 557 588 0 Less than 1 per 588 28 517 545 5 1 per 109
Kevin Faulk 181 252 433 1 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 433 301 700 1001 20 relevant (4 special teams) 1 per 50
Danny Woodhead 104 285 389 3 1 per 130 160 95 255 2 1 per 128
Sammy Morris 52 335 387 3 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 129 117 402 519 8 1 per 65
LaGarrette Blount 6 275 281 3 1 per 94 27 491 518 All 10 relevant 1 per 52
Randy Moss 271 3 274 All 5 relevant 1 per 55 765 23 788 8 relevant by comparison (3 special teams) 1 per 98
Deion Branch 130 0 63 0 Less than 1 per 63 452 11 463 1 relevant (2 special teams by comparison) 1 per 463
Fred Taylor 4 108 112 1 1 per 112 293 2555 2848 All 26 relevant by comparison 1 per 110
Danny Amendola 90 2 92 0 relevant (1 special team) Less than 1 per 92 196 12 208 5 relevant by comparison (5 special teams) 1 per 42
Ben Watson 91 1 92 2 1 per 46 210 1 211 6 1 per 35
Brandon Lloyd 86 0 86 0 Less than 1 per 86 325 1 326 4 1 per 82
Brandon Lafell 83 2 85 1 1 per 85 171 7 178 2 1 per 89
Lamont Jordan 0 80 80 1 1 per 80 163 856 1019 7 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 146
Jabar Gaffney 78 0 78 0 Less than 1 per 78 394 9 403 3 relevant (1 special team) 1 per 134
Heath Evans 8 48 56 0 less than 1 per 56 59 121 180 3 1 per 60
Donte Stallworth 55 1 56 0 Less than 1 per 56 280 20 300 3 relevant (2 special teams) 1 per 100
Brandon Tate 24 6 30 1 1 per 30 31 4 35 0 relevant (11 special teams by comparison) Less than 1 per 35
TOTALS 2080 2620 4700 32 1 in 145 4214 5993 10107 116 1 in 87
8 Players' collective totals who had 274+ touches for Patriots 1431 2372 3803 20 1 per 190 Non-NE or Early NE 1640 2296 56 1 per 70
Note: Relevant' Fumbles Defined: Fumbles committed while rushing the ball or after reception – not special teams' fumbles.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Sports
KEYWORDS: ballghazi; deflategate; fumbles; patriots; petecarrollsuxballs
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To: edzo4; All
...they play in the saddest, worst division in football. During this time period the Bills are the 4th worst team, the Dolphins have a losing record: 107-117, and the Jets have barely escaped break even going 113-111. They’ve won the AFC East outright 12 out of the past 14 seasons.

(Yeah, what is it with these Patriots? They bump up vs. these same pushovers year in, year out for six of their games...then whoever they are "in cozy" with ... schedule-wise...ensures they get a bunch of THE worst extra-division teams on top of that...)

Prime examples: 2013...when they played the 2-14 Texans & the 4-12 Bucs, 4-12 Falcons, 4-12 Browns...and NONE of the teams in their own division even had winning records that year...
2008...2-14 Chiefs, 2-14 Rams, 4-12 Seahawks, 5-11 Raiders & even 3 Western teams they played that year didn't have winning records (over half of their sched didn't)
2012...10 teams on their sched had losing records, including the 2-14 Jaquars...the Pats couldn't even beat 5-11 Cards that year...

In their 2011 Super Bowl appearance year, the Pats didn't even face a team that wound up with a winning record til November...didn't face a second team that wound up with a winning record til December...so wins over 5 teams with winning records that year -- including the playoffs...qualifies them for the SB? (No wonder they lost it!)

2007 and 2014 were about the only seasons they faced stiff schedules & even then more extra-division pushovers (3-13 Bucs in 09; 4-12 Bengals in '10)

So...I take it from the above is that your argument is the Pats essentially play in the "JV division" of the NFL...so no wonder they don't fumble as often?

...your mom I bet she misses you...

These 7 words were the only part of your post making any sense.

So thank you for the reminder...I'll call her.

41 posted on 02/26/2015 12:35:51 PM PST by Colofornian (Guess when it comes to flattened pigskins, Pats are ball hogs)
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To: edzo4
...The fact that you collate a winning streak with cheating is hysterical...

Actually, the Patriots have been equal-opportunity cheaters. It doesn't even take "a winning streak" for them to rely on cheating:

LA Times, 4 weeks ago: Patriots' rule-bending goes back decades, to 'snow plow' game in 1982

(The Pats were 2-14 in 1982)!

42 posted on 02/26/2015 12:39:31 PM PST by Colofornian (Guess when it comes to flattened pigskins, Pats are ball hogs)
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43 posted on 02/26/2015 12:43:34 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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44 posted on 02/26/2015 12:45:35 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: All
the Pats didn't even face a team that wound up with a winning record til November.....didn't face a second team that wound up with a winning record til December...

Self-correction: Didn't face a team with a winning record til Oct. 30...a 2nd team with a winning record til November...& a 3rd team with a winning record til December...

45 posted on 02/26/2015 12:46:29 PM PST by Colofornian (Guess when it comes to flattened pigskins, Pats are ball hogs)
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46 posted on 02/26/2015 12:48:26 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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47 posted on 02/26/2015 12:49:47 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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48 posted on 02/26/2015 12:52:05 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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49 posted on 02/26/2015 12:54:58 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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50 posted on 02/26/2015 12:57:18 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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51 posted on 02/26/2015 1:35:55 PM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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Well, of course!

(a) Brady's been playing vs. all those inner-division pushovers for 15 years! When you have it that easy, ya better have some stats to show for it!

(You yourself said in post #35: "...they play in the saddest, worst division in football. During this time period the Bills are the 4th worst team, the Dolphins have a losing record: 107-117, and the Jets have barely escaped break even going 113-111. They’ve won the AFC East outright 12 out of the past 14 seasons."

(b) It could be that the Pats have had a new physician "operating" along the sidelines since 2007.

(We hear he's quite good at his specialty of doctoring footballs! : ) )

52 posted on 02/26/2015 2:16:30 PM PST by Colofornian (Guess when it comes to flattened pigskins, Pats are ball hogs)
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53 posted on 02/26/2015 2:26:17 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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54 posted on 02/26/2015 3:19:44 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: Colofornian

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3259112/posts?page=31#31

Sadly though your whole deflategate ballghazi fumble fallacy is all based on the premise that 12 footballs were deflated which they were not. the only ball two pounds under was the ball that was in the unsupervised possession of the Indy colts. But you’ve ignored this fact In all your grandiose self absorbed spreadsheet of wasted time.


55 posted on 02/26/2015 4:52:04 PM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: edzo4; All
...spreadsheet of wasted time...

Well, hey, Edzo...you've earned a personal spreadsheet! (Congrats!)

And ya know, God loves you so much that you're never a "waste of time"...You personally are just that important! (No /s on this!)

Edzo4's claims 'realified'
Edzo4's dubious claims... My response... Yet even Edzo4's cited source says...
"Sadly though your whole deflategate ballghazi fumble fallacy is all based on the premise that 12 footballs were deflated which they were not." (Sorry, I never -- nor have I seen anybody -- claim that "12 footballs were deflated"; the claim has been out there for over a month now -- that 11 of the dozen balls were underinflated (not deflated)...and guess what? (These claims didn't originate with me) "The NFL is investigating the Patriots after 11 of 12 game balls they used in their 45-7 win over the Indianapolis Colts were found to be underinflated." Per Report: Only one Pats football was badly underinflated
"...the only ball two pounds under was the ball that was in the unsupervised possession of the Indy colts. But you’ve ignored this fact" (Well, so what if there was only a single ball that was a full "two pounds under"? And that the other 10 underinflated balls were less than that...what difference does that make?) "Also, MANY [My note: not ALL] of the footballs bore the initials of AFC title game referee Walt Anderson. However, he was in charge of two other Patriots games this season, and the footballs from those games were kept in circulation, meaning it is possible footballs approved for other games wound up in the AFC Championship Game." Per Report: Only one Pats football was badly underinflated [My note: IoW, since Anderson initialed balls from two previous Pat games earlier in the season, it's possible that some balls from those earlier games were possibly re-introduced into the playoff game without having gone thru Anderson's specific pre-game inspection]
"...the only ball two pounds under was the ball that was in the unsupervised possession of the Indy colts. But you’ve ignored this fact." Well, now that you've confused the entire scenario, it's difficult to say for sure what you're referencing that I've supposedly "ignored" -- but if I was reading this post of yours & went to your links...I'd come away with that you're somehow attempting to imply that only a single ball was underinflated...when even your own cited source says... (see -->) Per Report: Only one Pats football was badly underinflated [What? Was there really some need to "deflate" that word "badly"?]...the article itself said: "Rapoport reported that the league found MANY of the footballS [My note: plural] were "just a few ticks UNDER THE MINIMUM of 12.5 PSI.

What?

Do I really have to define "many footballs" for you per the very article you cited?

Do I really have to mention footballS is plural for you per the very article you cited?

Do I really have to tell you that ..."many footballs...under the minimum of 12.5 psi" is against the standards & rules of the NFL???

What? You gonna start getting on refs' cases for calling offsides? ('C'mon, Zebra! He was 'only' a few steps over the line of scrimmage!')

The NFL has already provided leeway: The rule says there's a full POUND of leeway [12.5 to 13.5].

And now you want to somehow...
...retroactively...
...arbitrarily...
...with full-blown arrogancy that the Pats can just well do as they damn well please with their own superimposed self-authority...
...remove these NFL standards and replace them with own self-designations? (And ONLY for the Patriots?)

Really?

Hey...just tell those Patriots, then, to "redraw" the line of scrimmage a few inches or a few feet wherever they want!

Tell those Pats to expand the seconds ("a few ticks") it takes to get off a play 83% of the time! (That'll reduce those delay of game penalties!)

Tell those Pats who are being substituted for that they actually now have a "few ticks" longer to get off the field...and that they won't be called for as many "illegal substitution" penalties...

All because Patriot fans seem to indicate that their team is so mighty they can now retroactively, arbitrarily, and arrogantly dictate to the league what the exact "ticks" should be on not only this rule, but ALL of the NFL rules!!!

56 posted on 02/26/2015 9:22:03 PM PST by Colofornian (Guess when it comes to flattened pigskins, Pats are ball hogs)
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To: Colofornian

I’m flattered but you really need to get a life, seriously. Seek profeessional help. Fact remains the only ball two pounds under was the one the colts had all other balls were checked by the refs. Other balls were a tick under and as has been proven over and over and over again on the multiple threads you have posted about ballghazi that a 1 lb change is psi would occur in a difference of 40 degrees if the NFL wants the balls at a certain psi at a certain temp they should change the rule. It does not as you would wish and so desperately try to “prove” with your hours of wasted effort and spreadsheets they cheated. And by your own admission a game in bad weather caused a thousand percent increase in the fumble rate. So GFYS I’m gonna go watch the replay greatest quaterback ever win his fourth superbowl cause of the worst call ever by a Superbowl coach. Also Pete Carroll coached for new england how about a whole new conspiracy theory with spreadsheets facts and diograms of how new england hired Carroll got him to Seattle just so he could make the bad call. That ought to jeep you busy for days.


57 posted on 02/27/2015 7:18:10 AM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: edzo4
...a 1 lb change is psi would occur in a difference of 40 degrees...

Well, that sucks.

You should have searched harder for somebody to say it would occur in a difference of something higher than that...

'Twas 51 degrees at gametime...and the balls were discovered well before enough time on the clock to have gone by for that kind of temp drop [these games are 90 minutes per half ya know]

Other balls were a tick under...

(Oh, so last post you tried convincing us only ONE ball was under...no mention of these other 10 balls...and now on this post -- when your own sources are tossed in your face -- you finally concede this fact, eh?)

Ya know, illegal contact by a defender is only a "tick" longer than what is legal...

Many holds only become actual restraint because either the blocker or defender holds on to the opponent a few ticks longer...and it moves from just a bad blocking technique or bad defensive posture to an actual hold because once restraint kicks in, it's an actual hold...

But, hey, your extended defense is that those Patriot holds were...
...only a few ticks over...
...those delay of game calls on the Patriots?
...(Just a few ticks over before Brady got the play off)
...Illegal contact?
...Just a tick longer on the receiver as he was going out for the pass...
...Illegal substitution flag?
...Naw, the guy in the game being replaced hung around "a few ticks" longer -- but it was only a "few ticks"

58 posted on 02/27/2015 8:41:17 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: edzo4
...few ticks

(Hey, and while you're at it, the next time your fave Pat is called for either offensive or defensive pass interference, just turn to whoever you're watching the game with and say, "It was only a 'few ticks' early...that ref should have left that flag in his pocket.")

Same with your Pat punt coverage...Hey, if they happen to hit the punt returner a tick or two before he actually touches the ball...so what? (Was only a tick or two)

59 posted on 02/27/2015 9:20:00 AM PST by Colofornian
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You’ve obviously never played sports. In wrestling and boxing you weigh in before the fight what you weigh during the fight is not measured. So as long as the boxer was a middle weight on the scale the day before the fight and a heavy weight during the fight it doesn’t matter its not against the rules and not cheating. The patriots followed the rules end of story. I mean its not like they were the Mormons they didn’t like the fact that if you have more than one wife you are cheating so they made up their own rules so they could pretend they weren’t cheating on their wife.


60 posted on 02/27/2015 9:53:52 AM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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