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To: Talisker
Of course you do not know what I'm talking about since you have no idea of the ancient pagan antecedents underlying modern physics.

There really is nothing new in this world. What once was the animistic (animated matter/physics) worldview of ancient superstitious pagans has been revised and revamped for modern tastes.

For example, prior to the rise of mechanical philosophy, naturalism and positivism (scientism) in the 16th and 17th centuries, the existence of mans' immaterial (unseen) soul/spirit (intellect, will) was taken for granted throughout Christendom, but then simply ignored by naturalists and finally forgotten. Thus modern materialists such as cognitive scientist Daniel Dennett confidently deny free will and the immateriality of the intellect and will without even the slightest acquaintance with the ancient pagan antecedents of their assertions.

Modern materialism together with its' occult New Age counterpart are the antithesis of the Revealed Word and remain virtually unchanged from what they were in Paul's time:

"Paul was reasoning in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Gentiles, and in the market place every day with those who happened to be present. And also some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers were conversing with him. Some were saying, "What would this idle babbler wish to say?" Others, "He seems to be a proclaimer of strange deities,"-- because he was preaching Jesus and the resurrection. And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, "May we know what this new teaching is which you are proclaiming?… "(Acts 17:18-19)

The Stoics (todays' occult New Age/ cosmic Transhumanists) and Epicureans (todays' materialists/secular Transhumanists) were the two most prominent schools of nature philosophy/nature science/nature religion of that time. Theirs was an atheistic scientific worldview predicated upon a universe of animated (evolving) matter (animism) and energy. They were the physicists of their age.

The principle tenet of the Epicureans held that the world was not made by any deity, or with any design, but came into its being and form, through a fortuitous concourse of animated atoms of various sizes and magnitude that cemented together and so formed the world.

The world and everything in it--life, being, mind--were not created but rather the accidental emergent products of a great cosmic event (Cosmic Egg/Big Bang) that spontaneously generated matter from nothing. In this way of thinking, humans are aggregates of matter in motion in a human form and the human mind an active principle of grey matter.

This way of thinking forms the basis of the psychology of Sigmund Freud as well as of Darwin's evolutionary conception, modern evolutionary biology, Dennett's so-called 'cognitive science,' secular humanism and secular trans-humanism.

The Stoics were a celebrated school of severe and lofty pantheists. Like the Epicureans, they were animists. Their main principle was that the universe of energy was under the law of an iron necessity (determinism in Darwinian creeds and karma in Eastern creeds), the spirit of which was what they called the Deity, World Soul or Gaia.

Much of modern quantum physics falls under occult science and mystical pantheism.

Stoic and Epicurean sages received their ideas from ancient Chaldeans (Babylonians), Egyptians and Hindus whose nature systems extended back centuries before Greek and Roman civilization.

Returning to Heisenberg, along with his loss of faith in the Christian God in three Persons came the devastating loss of immortality after death, and loss of an ultimate source for life, intellect, will, conscience, meaning, and purpose.

If there is no Triune God of life and creation, then it logically follows that there is no source for life, consciousness, soul, spirit and will, or for human dignity, worth, liberty, and property. Without God the Father unalienable (God-given) rights are meaningless. If man is not God's spiritual image-bearer, then he is less than nothing, a conclusion Buddha reached long before Jesus Christ walked this earth:

"Six centuries before Jesus Christ, the Buddha already knew that if God does not exist, then the human self cannot exist either......Therefore, he deconstructed the Hindu idea of the soul. When one starts peeling the onion skin of one's psyche, he discovers that there is no solid core at the center of one's being. Your sense of self is an illusion. Reality is nonself (anatman). You don't exist. Liberation, the Buddha taught, is realizing the unreality of your existence." (The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization, Vishal Mangalwadi, p. 6)

This bears repeating: Reality is nonself...You don't exist. Nor did Heisenberg, Karl Marx, Nietzsche, Stalin, Lenin, and so very many more from years past who dug pits for themselves along with many of today such as Richard Dawkins, and Daniel Dennett. Logically, all of them were and are the Walking Dead while in this world.

And finally, that the so-called "scientifically enlightened" take these "self-deniers" seriously is a pitiful commentary on the gullibility and intellectual and spiritual poverty of our so-called "scientific elites" and their obsessed followers.

17 posted on 01/28/2015 9:45:31 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
Of course you do not know what I'm talking about since you have no idea of the ancient pagan antecedents underlying modern physics.

Your arrogance and presumption about my knowledge is tedious and sophomoric. As is the rest of your ridiculous screed, in which you slap together unrelated concepts like a high school student flipping through Wikipedia to support a night-before-due term paper.

If there is no Triune God of life and creation, then it logically follows that there is no source for life, consciousness, soul, spirit and will, or for human dignity, worth, liberty, and property. 

So logically, all of the religions and philosophy which do not accept the concept of the "Triune God" have no concept not support of any "source for life, consciousness, soul, spirit and will, or for human dignity, worth, liberty, and property"?

LOL - That's, what, 80 percent of the Earth's population, 5 billion people, with no concept or belief in those issues? What a narcissistic, unhinged farce of a contention. Your shamelessness is ugly.

"Six centuries before Jesus Christ, the Buddha already knew that if God does not exist, then the human self cannot exist either......Therefore, he deconstructed the Hindu idea of the soul. ...Your sense of self is an illusion. Reality is nonself (anatman). You don't exist. Liberation, the Buddha taught, is realizing the unreality of your existence." (The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization, Vishal Mangalwadi, p. 6) This bears repeating: Reality is nonself...You don't exist.

FYI, you shouldn't read about Buddhism from a Bible tract - you're gonna get it wrong. And you're really gonna get Hinduism wrong. As, by the way, you have here, in both cases.

First of all, the "no self" Buddhist and Hindu doctrine of "non-existence" refers to your EGO, not what in the West is called your "soul." But odd course you know this, because you invoked "anatman" - instead of Atman, which is the Self. Except the ultimate Atman is considered to be God, who is beyond our petty identities and yet who comprises our very souls.

I recommend you read up on the Trika Shaivism of Abhinavagupta to try to comprehend these issues more clearly. Oh and that word, "Trika"? It means "three." As in "Triune God" a thousand years before your laughably "ancient pagan antecedents."

Returning to Heisenberg, along with his loss of faith in the Christian God in three Persons came the devastating loss of immortality after death, and loss of an ultimate source for life, intellect, will, conscience, meaning, and purpose.

Well you're not really returning to Heisenberg, because my reason for invoking him was his physics, not your mind-reading of his soul. But I will note your return to frothing absolutism by denying that same 5 billion purple even more human spiritual attributes, this time "immortality after death, and loss of an ultimate source for life, intellect, will, conscience, meaning, and purpose."

Amazing how the existence of all of those things and more exist in not only Trika Shaivism, but also all three main Buddhist paths, as well as virtually all Sanatan Dharma teachings (Hinduism for those who read about these things in Bible tracts).

Finally, these systems are all united on the concept that human history is cyclical, and that human beings tend to get into the same kind of trouble over and over again, and require nothing less than the incarnation of God to save them. Thus, they see similarities between such historical Avatars as supporting the concept of God protection, rather than, as is seen by Christians, to be done sort of argument as to who's right and who's wrong. For an interesting comparison along these lines, I recommend this web page: Specific similarities between the lives of Jesus and Krishna.

Thanks for playing. Have a nice day.

18 posted on 01/28/2015 1:58:14 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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