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Trader makes gutsy bet on a speedy market plunge
cnbc ^ | 1-21-2015

Posted on 01/22/2015 6:15:30 AM PST by Citizen Zed

Shortly after noon ET, the trader purchased 50,000 Jan. 23 weekly 195-strike puts on the popular SPDR exchange-traded fund tracking the S&P 500, which trades under the ticker symbol "SPY." These options are perceived to have a low probability of paying off, which explains why they traded at a price of 9 cents a share, for a total outlay of $450,000.

That is the most the trader can lose, and as long as the SPY stays above $195 through Friday, the total amount will indeed be lost. However, if the S&P falls 5 percent between Wednesday at 2 p.m. ET and Friday's close (to give an example) the trader will enjoy a quick profit of more than $12 million.

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To: martinidon

You are correct


21 posted on 01/22/2015 6:39:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

100 shares per options contract, not 1,000


22 posted on 01/22/2015 6:40:24 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: RummyChick

Market tanked pretty fast


23 posted on 01/22/2015 6:40:42 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: IYAS9YAS; E. Pluribus Unum

Sorry, options are for 100 shares, not 1,000. The coffee hasn’t kicked in. So 50,000 contracts at $0.09/share is 5,000,000 times $0.09 or $450,000 (not including commission).


24 posted on 01/22/2015 6:40:45 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: PapaBear3625
100 shares per options contract, not 1,000

Yes, my caffeine hasn't kicked yet. Thank you!

25 posted on 01/22/2015 6:41:19 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

Thanks.


26 posted on 01/22/2015 6:45:20 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Offend a Christian and he is obliged to pray for you. Offend a Muslim and he is obliged to kill you.)
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To: RummyChick

$450,000 is the big boys playground. I am more in the $450 playground


27 posted on 01/22/2015 6:46:00 AM PST by martinidon
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To: martinidon

You can make a lot of money watching Mr Big types in options. It is amazing how it is illegal to insider trade but big option plays are made just before some announcement.

I follow some guys on twitter who track that kind of thing.

One is @WallStJesus


28 posted on 01/22/2015 6:48:54 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Citizen Zed

Btw, your alert helped me make the decision to short the run up.

Looking good so far.


29 posted on 01/22/2015 6:49:50 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Gutsy? Or planning a little market manipulation? (Not that I have any idea how).

Since the astute (connected big money folks) can make money on upticks or downticks, I'm convinced they use their computer trading tools to cause the constant ups and downs that occur daily. The market can start with futures projected at +80, open at - 20, move to +250, then close at -90. Such big and plentiful fluctuations are not what one can call "non-manipulated norms".

Just a gut feeling from observation - I have no expertise.

I did finally find a way to get a guaranteed 6% with protection of principle if things crash so I'm not as concerned as I once was.

30 posted on 01/22/2015 6:53:48 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: RummyChick

Based on the projected profit of $12 mil if I play with the little boys my $450 could make me $12,000.
All i need to do is make one trade for $12K per month and I can retire.....


31 posted on 01/22/2015 7:01:36 AM PST by martinidon
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Each contract is 100 shares. 50000 X 100 X $0.09/share = $450000


32 posted on 01/22/2015 7:04:22 AM PST by quesera (Painfully watching the deliberate destruction of American greatness.)
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To: IYAS9YAS; expat_panama; Toddsterpatriot
Mate, oppies represent 100 shares (or units, in the case of exotics) unless expressly stated otherwise.

Thus, 1 option @ 0.09 = $9.00, and 50,000 @ 0.09 = $450,000. The article's value calc is absolutely correct (well, plus commission, of course).

Now, this trader...well, sounds like he's playing w/someone else's capital. His position isn't really trading; it is gambling at its purest.

33 posted on 01/22/2015 7:06:14 AM PST by SAJ
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To: Citizen Zed
However, if the S&P falls 5 percent between Wednesday at 2 p.m. ET and Friday's close (to give an example) the trader will enjoy a quick profit of more than $12 million.

He doesn't have to hold them until Friday's close to profit. A move down of 5 or 10 S&P points will probably give him a quick double or triple. He was possibly making a bet on the ECB news with a good R/R ratio.

34 posted on 01/22/2015 7:12:35 AM PST by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: Mr. K
All it would take would be a few of his friends dumping the stock to make the price fall.

SPY options are on the S&P 500. The 500 biggest US stocks. I don't think the market would notice if a few friends sold a few shares.

35 posted on 01/22/2015 7:12:48 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Citizen Zed

If he was betting on the ECB to not print money, he just lost.


36 posted on 01/22/2015 7:13:01 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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To: SAJ; IYAS9YAS; expat_panama; Toddsterpatriot

I agree. Just trying to alleviate some boredom. Probably has lunch scheduled for tomorrow with some high school classmates. Alternatively, he’s some set of indicators that are flashing red and he feels the need to put on a hedge. His overall equity position may be so large that 450K downside and a few million to the upside is not that big a deal.


37 posted on 01/22/2015 7:17:22 AM PST by Bill W was a conservative (Profile, detain, interrogate, deport.)
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To: SomeCallMeTim
If he was betting on the ECB to not print money, he just lost.

That depends. That little selloff at the open may have given him a quick double.

38 posted on 01/22/2015 7:18:22 AM PST by bankwalker (In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: bankwalker
That little selloff at the open may have given him a quick double.

Looks like the range on that option today was $0.02-$0.06.

Still a loser.

39 posted on 01/22/2015 7:23:36 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: SAJ
His position isn't really trading; it is gambling at its purest.

The only thing I could think is a married put, but it's too short term, so I doubt it. Those are usually run out over a longer period of time.

Yes, I caught my mistake as soon as I posted it. Thanks!

40 posted on 01/22/2015 7:23:58 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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