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Leviathan director Andrei Zvyagintsev: ‘Living in Russia is like being in a minefield’
The Guardian ^ | November 6, 2014

Posted on 01/14/2015 1:32:59 AM PST by Freelance Warrior

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Zvyagintsev [a noted Russian film director whose "Leviathan" has recently taken the Golden Globe prize] swims resolutely against the tide. One remark by Russia’s culture minister, Vladimir Medinsky, who, earlier this year, said openly that he did not like Leviathan, seems especially to irritate.

“He said: ‘Let all the flowers grow, but we will only water the ones we like.’ After these words he should have been fired, because this is a direct violation of the constitution, a direct violation of human expression. You cannot impose rules on art. Everybody should be equal. Government help, without which art cannot function, should be equally spread between all participants.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: freedomofspeech; government; nofreedomofspeech; russia; zvyagintsev
Is a government really obliged to finance art in this way? I think freedom of expression doesn't mean one's expression should be financed with public money.
1 posted on 01/14/2015 1:32:59 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: Freelance Warrior

Exactly. OPM. DEFUND N.E.A.

Example…

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Apostasy/nea.htm


2 posted on 01/14/2015 1:39:54 AM PST by PGalt
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The NEA (The National Endowment for the Arts) is of the Devil. How can Americans sing “God Bless America,” or boast “In God We Trust” in view of such wickedness? Andres Serrano was paid $15,000 by the U.S. government for his blasphemous “art” titled “Piss Christ.” Why? Clearly, the Devil is at work.

Besides the fact that so-called "piece of art" is blasphemous, paying $15000 for a thing like "small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist's urine" is embezzlement. I think those who have paid for this should be brought to trial.

3 posted on 01/14/2015 1:48:07 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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Russian governments have long supported the arts, to a degree that Americans cannot imagine. It all goes back to their Communist past.


4 posted on 01/14/2015 2:33:46 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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“He said: ‘Let all the flowers grow, but we will only water the ones we like.’

Sounds exactly life Affirmative Action, Racial Double Standards, Corrupt Court Decisions, and Holder's "Just Us" Department in action.


5 posted on 01/14/2015 2:38:48 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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It would help to read the first paragraph of the article:

Andrei Zvyagintsev has a reputation for being polite but tight-lipped. Understandably. At Cannes this year, he won an award for the most searing attack on the current Russian political system ever shot. Yet, he said at the time, his aim was “certainly not to confront power”. Yes, Leviathan shows ordinary Russians crushed beneath a fiendishly corrupt bureaucracy. But it was inspired by a case in the US, he said, and is intended as a universal parable.

6 posted on 01/14/2015 2:40:44 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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It all goes back to their Communist past.

No doubt. But that's about past. Capitalism is "those who pay, order the music". Simultaneously, biting the hand of the giver isn't ethical.

7 posted on 01/14/2015 2:49:42 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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Zvyagintsev (of whom I had never heard of until today), argues that it is a violation of the Russian Constitution.

And that's the difference . . . our government pays artists who do not toe the line of the State.

8 posted on 01/14/2015 2:55:12 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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Besides the fact that so-called "piece of art" is blasphemous, paying $15000 for a thing like "small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist's urine" is embezzlement. I think those who have paid for this should be brought to trial.

BUMP!

9 posted on 01/14/2015 2:56:36 AM PST by PGalt
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To: 1rudeboy

Apparently, the Russian culture minister is going to follow the USA in the same path. As for the Russian Constitution, it declares freedom of speech but doesn’t promise government funding.


10 posted on 01/14/2015 3:07:12 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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I understand that you want to spin this your way. It doesn't bother me.

“It’s like being in a minefield, this is the feeling you live with here [in Russia]. It’s very hard to build any kind of prospects – in life, in your profession, in your career – if you are not plugged in to the values of the system. It’s a stupid construction of society, and unfortunately the eternal curse of our territory. The ideas of the rule of law, of equal rights are hardly discussed here. There is discussion in society, but it’s pointless. I have a feeling of the absolute futility of pretending to the right to have a say in any situation. I’ve turned 50 and I’ve never voted in my life. Because I’m absolutely certain that in our system it’s a completely pointless step.”

Spot on.
11 posted on 01/14/2015 3:10:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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I understand that you want to spin this your way

Wrong. All I want is a discussion on the topic I defined in the first message of the thread.

if you are not plugged in to the values of the system.

Ok, in which way is it different in any other country? What kind of prospects can a film director make in the USA if he's not connected to political correctness, homosexual rights, foodstamps and/or any other American values?

12 posted on 01/14/2015 3:31:39 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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Simple answer? This director is not plugged into the pro-Putin line, as opposed to American directors being plugged into the pro-Obama line. I'm not surprised you fail to see it. Whataboutism is purely Russian.

And I neglected to note your comment about communism in Russia being "about [the] past." LOL What is the current?

13 posted on 01/14/2015 3:42:49 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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I'm not surprised you fail to see it.

My point is that "buidling prospects" as Mr. Zvyagintsev has said, without "being plugged" is futile in any society. Bringing up the USA is quite in context of this. The USA is just an example in a row.

Dear Mr. Zvyagintsev, if you're not pleased with the Russian values, and you are not up to changing them in your way, then emigrate to a country which values are ok with you.

But, alas! You can't make a film without government funding. It's unlikely you can survive outside Russia. So, you are screwed, dude.

14 posted on 01/14/2015 4:00:15 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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And I neglected to note your comment about communism in Russia being "about [the] past." LOL What is the current?

You have overgeneralised my comment. That's not about Communism but about governmental financing of art. The current situation is that the taxpayer finances art, while artists can raise funds from other sources what is different from the Soviet situation. Still, they frequently fail in this.

15 posted on 01/14/2015 4:29:42 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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Government help, without which art cannot function, should be equally spread between all participants.”

Let those who enjoy "art" PAY for the "art" that they enjoy. Something no one wants to pay for is the very definition of useless.

16 posted on 01/14/2015 7:27:23 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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Let those who enjoy "art" PAY for the "art" that they enjoy. Something no one wants to pay for is the very definition of useless.

I totally agree.

17 posted on 01/15/2015 12:01:37 AM PST by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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“That’s not about Communism but about governmental financing of art.”

The buyer should get what they want. The seller dances to the buyers tune.

In the end both sides will get what they want, good and hard.

L


18 posted on 01/15/2015 12:07:07 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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