Yeah right.
BOHICA for Tommy Daschle and Co's corn-fired ethanol mandate gravy train.
Choo choo!
NO SALE.
Posted on 12/28/2014 3:28:47 AM PST by Up Yours Marxists
>>what should be done with the mountains and
>>mountain of surplus corn?
Stop subsidizing King Korn (or is it the AKSARBEN Korn Kings?) and the mountains will move all by themselves.
http://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Government+subsidized+corn
Really?
I’ve been here since about ‘98 or ‘99, and for the entire time I’ve asserted that while consumers might not like paying farmers not to grow crops, they would hate the absence of such production restraints even more.
The situation for the past decade or so has been the one of few or no restraints on production.
Which situation do you think most consumers like better, the one of the 1950s though the 90s, when food prices dropped more than 40%, or the present one?
Do you know any farmers?
I’ve given you the facts, and you’re free to continue mocking and dismiss them.
No loss to me.
You can have the last word, I’m moving on.
Been married to the daughter of one for almost 30 years.
In light of the FACTs surrounding ethanol requirements and the subsidization of Corn production -- Your assertion...
"The situation for the past decade or so has been the one of few or no restraints on production."
...is reminiscent of the odorous wind that used to waft into the Seward pre-sem parrot factory from the Milford feed lots.
Rather than mock, which all you seem to be able to do, and not that well, tell me about farmers who are not producing as much as they can.
The ones I've talked to know its not sustainable and the whole charade is a drought away from going bankrupt.
But what choice do they have but to bow down and serve the ethanol cabal?
"The dispute in Aurora, population about 4,400, brings into conflict two of the largest U.S. farm programs, one promoting sugar production and the other corn-based ethanol. Aventine Renewable Energy Holdings Inc, a privately held Illinois firm, is reaping profits producing ethanol with cheap sugar, thanks to a U.S. Agriculture Department subsidy of beet sugar."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/ethanol-sugar-idUSL2N0PD2KJ20140716
"The largest U.S. farm pogroms"? Doesn't quite sound like the Freemarket picture you're trying pull out from somewhere, does it.
>>The Gruber Revelations are proof that God is still smiling on America
Smiling - Like He was in Romans 1:25+ LOL. Yeah Right.
Because of what?
Gave them over to what?
Think about that whilst you and the other L.I.F.E.R. sun-parrots are crooning your way through the calendar year in New Babylon.
I asked you if you respond without mockery.
Obviously you can’t.
Go away and put your mockery to use elsewhere.
Thought you were done?
Facts clearly aren’t your forte.
Try harder.
Happy, Jubilant, New year.
Yep.
Although my agreement is tempered having an engineer acquaintance who did his Navy service related to nuclear propulsion... but, last I heard, now works part time for minimum wage because he evidently keeps sticking his creationist foot in his mouth when applying for (or even managing to land for a short while) engineering jobs.
Also had the amusing experience of watching someone claiming to be a "Former Air Force nucular engineer" give a class on creationism during "Bible Class" a few years ago.
A female petroleum geologist in attendance patiently explained, multiple times, how the curving stratification observable at places like Moab were explainable by means other than... a trickster creator.
In the end, she gave up and stopped attending. As did I. It was pointless.
Navy Nuclear Power works consistently reliably, nonetheless, despite such "training" anomalies.
>>Navy Nuclear Power works consistently reliably, nonetheless, despite such “training” anomalies.
The Navy does not teach creationism.
But it does teach entropy and that ordered systems do not randomly evolve out of chaos, although God, Catastrophism, and Uniformitarianism are never mentioned. So, by your standards, that is probably creationism. Your engineer acquaintance must live up north, because I know quite a few creationist engineers down here in the land of bitter clingers. He should move to place with more open-minded people.
>>He should move to place with more open-minded people.
Open minded enough to observe the world/universe is older than the few thousand years he and Mr. Nucular engineer claim?
>>Open minded enough to observe the world/universe is older than the few thousand years he and Mr. Nucular engineer claim?
No. Open minded enough to be able to co-exist with him. None of us are ever going to create a universe or affect the creation of one, so our theories of how it came into being are nothing more than a show of human arrogance.
Whether God or randomness created the universe, the binding energy of a Uranium nucleus is something that we can harness for our own purpose. The energy state of photons, the covalent bond, and the behavior of electrical charges are also something that we can use, regardless of whether they were designed by God or simply by the laws of a randomly-created universe.
I don’t believe in Catastrophism or Creationism in the way that Fundamentalist Christians do. But, I also don’t believe that something comes from nothing or that order comes from disorder. I am willing to coexist with those who believe either.
Can you do that too, or do you really have all the answers so you can declare who is wrong and who is right?
>>But it does teach entropy and that ordered systems
>>do not randomly evolve out of chaos
Does it acknowledge that ordered systems can, and do, evolve out of chaos at the expense of more ordered systems?
Seems to me the immutable laws of nature speak for themselves, and the Creator whose free minded image we reflect.
ALMIGHTY GOD HATH CREATED THE MIND FREE, says Thomas Jefferson
Meanwhile it’s religious, man-made, state-established/establishing creations (and the worship thereof) that lead to the inevitable cultural demise described in Romans 1:25+
“Because of this, God gave them over”
Because of what?
Gave them over to what?
Are we there yet?
>>Seems to me the immutable laws of nature speak for themselves, and the Creator whose free minded image we reflect.
Yes, they do. We permit people to do all kinds of harmless, but stupid things, Yet, we cannot abide those who believe in a 6000 year old earth.
>>No. Open minded enough to be able to co-exist with him.
That sounds nice but it’s not very workable when accepting and parroting their asserted age for the universe becomes a litmus test for salvation.
Merely pointing out the constancy of C in the context of visible light from stars that are billions of light years away shouldn’t induce a spittle flinging tirade from the “expert” Nucular engineer and its parrot-pastor... but, it does.
And I refuse to subject my children to the purview of folks who find that sort of mindless indoctrination acceptable.
“I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE”
If that’s true then the Creator will make it self-evident of His own accord.
>>we cannot abide those who believe in a 6000 year old earth.
Are religious assertions among the “Created things” for which the punitive response described in Romans 1:25+ is rendered?
“I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTER OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY AGAINST EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN”
Evidently Jefferson and Co. had strong feelings about “abiding” those who assume dominion over the faith of others - especially when state-stablished/establishing coercive powers were involved.
Maybe Americans should put some thought and effort into “conserving” that.
>>Can you do that too, or do you really have all
>>the answers so you can declare who is wrong and
>>who is right?
Self evident truth makes that declaration.
Is the Sun still going around the Earth?
Are there still dragons at the edge of the world?
“EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE, THIS IT IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE TO EFFECT AND ON A GENERAL PLAN”
—Thomas Jefferson
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