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Nephew seeing the Army National Guard recruiter tomorrow. Vanity
FR ^ | Dec 15, 2014 | Self

Posted on 12/14/2014 9:33:49 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult

My nephew is seeing the Army National Guard recruiter tomorrow. He has some questions and I'm going with him.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: army; nationalguard; recruiter
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To: Paladin2

Can he wait until after Nov. 2016?

Congrats to him, the few, the proud!


41 posted on 12/15/2014 12:31:11 AM PST by Netz
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To: AlaskaErik
Better yet, take him to the Air National Guard recruiter. Tell the recruiter he wants to be a C-130 loadmaster. Best darn job in the Guard!

Second best. The best job in the ANG is KC-135 boom operator.

42 posted on 12/15/2014 1:34:55 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo
A Loadmaster can get a civilian job with his skills,
but a Boom Operator can only lay down and pass gas.
43 posted on 12/15/2014 1:37:47 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Nah, in the KC-46A the Boom Operator will be in the crew compartment sitting at a console. The best a loadmaster can do in civilian life is stuff suitcases in the belly of a 737.

Seriously, if the goal is a civilian job, then he’s better off working a flightline job and getting his A&P license, or any one of dozens of other career fields.


44 posted on 12/15/2014 2:06:06 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Listen,
If your nephew is going n he has many options for an MOS (job type).
Depending on how he does on his entrance exam he has the ability to choose a job.
Make sure it is a job he can do after getting out.
Heavy equipment operator (bull dozer, front end loader etc), medical tech, computer anything, mechanic, pilot, and many others.
Make sure he does not go in to be a grunt,(parachutist, tank driver, cannon shooter etc.)
If he uses his time in properly he can be trained for a fine job when he exits.


45 posted on 12/15/2014 2:18:05 AM PST by Joe Boucher (The F.B.I. Is a division of holders Justice Dept. (Nuff said))
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To: Bringbackthedraft
The Governor is the CIC.

Nope. The National Guard is frequently federalized. The Governors have no say in the matter.

46 posted on 12/15/2014 2:19:40 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Folks are suggesting alternatives to the NG. What you join is usually a function of what is close to where you live. Unless a person wants to completely disrupt their lives or plan on a 2-3 hour trip to the nearest installation a person usually goes with what is close. If he does live close to an Air National Guard (ANG) installation it is a great way to serve and have fun too. When I would take ANG teams to mountain tops in Arizona for the weekends in the 1970’s I would tell people the only difference between the ANG and Boy Scouts was that the Boy Scouts had adult leadership...and I was the ANG leadership.


47 posted on 12/15/2014 2:37:07 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: VerySadAmerican

i agree. do not enlist. if he’s christian and conservative do not enlist.


48 posted on 12/15/2014 2:38:11 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Dagnabitt

I flew Cobras for a few years in the Army. It was a “single-pilot” rated AC, so we could take the crew chiefs up as front seaters. Between the T/Os and landings, I always gave the crew chiefs some stick time. Not actually by the books allowed, but very much appreciated by the crew chiefs, and as far as I was concerned, a good way for them to more fully appreciate and understand the A/C they worked on.
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Big nostalgia trip for me, too!

I worked for Bell Hel. for over 35 years. Around 1970 I was a Quality Engineer working temporarily on second shift that Summer. Late one afternoon I was at the flight line and one of our hot shot test pilots said he needed some ballast for a test hop. I sat in the front seat of a Cobra and that pilot gave me the ride of my life, as he put that aircraft through its paces!!!

In re your comment about appreciation. I would often participate in supplier conferences where we would host our casting, forging and machined parts suppliers. As we would tour the plant, we would end up at the flight line. There, we would point out their products on a Huey and explain what would happen if they failed. ...Then, we’d make them get into the aircraft and our test pilots would fly like crazy! High speed dives that stopped maybe 25ft from the ground; high speed flight only about 10ft from the ground through a maze cut through the river bottoms; etc. .....Some of them threw up and a couple wet their panties, but they DID gain an appreciation for the vital functions their products had.

Sorry, everyone, for the long post. Old memories just popped out.


49 posted on 12/15/2014 2:45:06 AM PST by octex
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To: Bringbackthedraft

True, until it gets nationalized by the President.


50 posted on 12/15/2014 2:46:11 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Yo-Yo
I did 4 & 3/4 years in the ANG, then 22+ years in the USAF, and 5 years in the FAA, all of it, sitting on my butt, looking our windows and running my mouth.
The FAA's 5 years was defiantly lucrative and the entry level salary was more than double my last year's pay in the USAF.
Loadmaster jobs are highly needed by ALL the airlines, and offer a great way to see the world, without getting shot at, or undermined by a Kenyan Turd.
51 posted on 12/15/2014 2:46:17 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: octex
Control Tower Watch Supervisor/Senior Controller admiration for the Cobra AH-1.
One of the best fighting helicopters I've ever had the pleasure of mixing into my airport traffic area, at Osan, Kunsan, Seymour, Eglin and Duke, March, Plattsburgh, Columbus, Alpena, and Camp Douglas (Volk Field).
It'll fly, while that Apache pice of computerized garbage remains a hanger queen.
52 posted on 12/15/2014 2:53:37 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Before 1989 and especially before 1991 thereabouts I would have said "do it it's a great experience". I'm former active duty Navy Snipe four years 76-80 and an Army NG 13-B from 84-85 on a special one year drill one year inactive enlistment offered prior services back then. I would not have wanted to been in the military post Reagan under any POTUS since but especially this one.

My advice is to wait till mid 2017 and I'm serious about that advice. He has plenty of time to enlist these days especially in the guards and right now the past 20 plus years have been a serious downturn & meltdown in discipline, morale, forced acceptance of homosexuals, Congress, POTUS, Weak SEC of Defense's for past two decades unwilling to back combat troops and making them subject to unseen before PC witch hunts, and rampant PC. This is not the same military those of us enlisting in 1980's and earlier knew.

POTUS, not the governor is NG CIC even though the NG oath is also to obey the orders of governor. Does your state have a State Guard? Many states do and he can be mentored by older vets.

53 posted on 12/15/2014 3:11:09 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

BTW in the mean time if he wants to serve nation and community several other very worthy options are there. VFD or Volunteer Rescue Squad is a good alternative. Most can use the manpower.


54 posted on 12/15/2014 3:18:39 AM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Rodamala

That’s a 12 minute video, but if you open up the “About” section, all 5 reasons are listed there.


55 posted on 12/15/2014 3:27:26 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I will throw in my 2 cents here, even though it looks like I’m a bit late to the party.

I started out doing 4 years enlisted in the Navy, got out, went to college, then was commissioned in the Army 11 years ago. Commissioned means that I am an officer, so my military experience is quite different from that of an enlisted person. For one thing, my word is law to enlisted people, and that takes some getting used to. The lesson that drove that fact home to me happened when I told my NCO (the only one I had assigned to me) that a walk-in refrigerator was unacceptably dirty. Ten minutes later, I walked by the refrigerator in question, and every enlisted person in the division was busy cleaning it out (and they did a great job).

Since I am medical, I can’t talk to the experience of operating helicopters or tanks, or any of the other combat-related jobs. But I will say that the people I have had the honor to work with have been wonderful. Despite all the disparaging remarks (mostly from the left) about the low IQ of service members and the other insults about our intelligence and ability, the services are filled with highly talented people. Also, despite the stereotypes, the military is NOT the only option for poor people—proportionally to their representation in the population, rich kids are overrepresented in the service, and poor kids are underrepresented. (I guess that poverty culture that doesn’t prepare kids to become self-sufficient does not prepare them to serve, either.)

Since I am active duty, I live the military. This is not the same situation for reservists. Some reservists I have encountered have less than military discipline. Others are gung-ho, so I guess it evens out. It depends, I suppose, on how much experience they get serving with the regular forces—some reservists have deployed to various places, and so do get the experience of active military life.

I will close by saying that I wake up every day, thankful for the opportunities that I have had in serving. Some of these opportunities would not have been available had I remained a civilian. Being in the military has been a truly remarkable experience. Your nephew can have a very successful, fulfilling career in the service, if he puts forth the effort and has a good attitude.


56 posted on 12/15/2014 3:50:09 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Not only that, but remember this: Until he raises his hand after intake (I can’t remember what the place is called) he can still back out. Not the first time, but the second time. Sorry to be so vague, but I just can’t remember the details.
God bless him.


57 posted on 12/15/2014 4:59:23 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. Thomas Mann)
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To: Yosemitest

...admiration for the Cobra AH-1.
One of the best fighting helicopters I’ve ever had the pleasure of mixing into my airport traffic area,...
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The Super Cobras (AH-1W and AH-1Z) being turned out before I retired in 2001 were REALLY badass combat aircraft!

I know the Apache is a good machine, but believe politics played heavily in their procurement.


58 posted on 12/15/2014 5:05:06 AM PST by octex
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
I'm a retired Marine. I would not counsel any young man to enlist. Maybe the Coast Guard.

As I told a friend of mine, today's military is unrecognizable to the one I entered, and not in a good way. Our national leadership is dangerously stupid.

59 posted on 12/15/2014 5:12:19 AM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Joe Boucher

I told my son to wait till the dems got out but he is a Marine. He is a grunt. He loves his buddies and he also got certified to drive heavy equipment.

As for all the negatives. Civilians are facing the same crud. With all the sweet, loving unification being spread through our nation, I think all of our children should be taught how to defend themselves and their towns.


60 posted on 12/15/2014 5:18:11 AM PST by huldah1776
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