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The UN’s so-called plan to fight climate change is a socialist, money-sucking scheme
Toronto Sun ^ | Dec. 13/14 | Lorrie Goldstein

Posted on 12/14/2014 6:19:39 AM PST by Dartman

The latest United Nations effort in Lima to draft a new global treaty on climate change proves Prime Minister Stephen Harper was right when he described its efforts as “a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.”

Harper was pilloried by Canada’s opposition parties after his statement, contained in a 2002 fundraising letter for the now-defunct Canadian Alliance, was revealed in 2007, shortly after he won the 2006 federal election.

But Harper was right. Indeed he was vindicated in 2011, when a senior UN climate official, German economist Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Working Group III, explained:

“Basically, it’s a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit (that one was in Cancun) is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War ... one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.”

To Edenhofer and his fellow travellers at the UN, this is desirable because developed countries “having basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community” would now use a portion of the wealth this generated to assist developing countries in growing their economies in environmentally responsible ways.

Whatever one thinks of Edenhofer’s views, his statement has the virtue of honesty, rare in political discussions about climate change.

It reflected the real debate in Lima, and what will be the real debate a year from now in Paris, when the UN tries to get 195 countries to agree to a successor agreement to the Kyoto accord, which expired in 2012.

This has nothing to do with “saving the planet,” in the words of the environmental lobby.

In reality, nothing the UN or the developed world has tried to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions — carbon taxes, cap-and-trade, regulation — has worked.

Much of it, particularly cap-and-trade, has been steeped in political corruption, fraud and organized crime.

The only thing that did significantly cut global emissions — temporarily and as an unintended consequence — was the economic recession set off by the sub-prime mortgage scandal in 2008 that began in the U.S. and quickly spread around the world.

So the real debate at these never-ending UN climate meetings is about who will contribute and how much they will contribute to a $100-billion-a-year UN “Green Climate Fund”, starting in 2020, to be paid by developed nations like Canada to the developing world.

The purpose is ostensibly to help the developing world cope with the impact of climate change and reduce its emissions, since they are now rising fastest in the developing world as it industrializes.

The position of the developing nations is that they should be paid this money without having to agree to any hard targets, through which they would be required to reduce their emissions based on a clear timetable and specific dates.

China, the world’s largest emitter, ostensibly agreed in a recent side deal with lame duck President Barack Obama (the U.S. is the second-largest emitter), to lower its emissions after 2030, when they were expected to peak anyway.

But it has since made clear it will not submit its plan to do so for international review, nor tolerate questioning of it.

India, the world’s third-largest emitter, has not only rejected any emissions cap, but said its emissions will continue to rise for the foreseeable future because its priority (like China’s) is eliminating poverty.

Meanwhile, the position of the developed world, which will be making the payments into the Green Climate Fund, is that there must be hard targets and specific emission reduction timelines for the developing world.

So far a few countries, including Canada which contributed $300 million — similar to the U.S. commitment of $3 billion when population is factored in — have committed $10 billion to this fund.

But many of these commitments are spread over several years, far short of the $100 billion annually the UN wants in place by 2020, and who knows how much in subsequent years?

There is also a dispute over whether the climate fund should be composed only of public (tax) money, or include private investments.

Regardless, the thing to keep in mind as we head towards next December’s key UN meeting in Paris is that this debate has never been about “saving the planet” or even about reducing emissions. It’s always been about the money.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climate; greenscam; socialist; un
My boy Harper, right again.
1 posted on 12/14/2014 6:19:39 AM PST by Dartman
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To: Dartman

The climate change, environmentalists, and other groups were created to steal US taxpayer dollars in form of grants...from their inception.


2 posted on 12/14/2014 6:22:09 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: Squawk 8888

ping


3 posted on 12/14/2014 6:23:23 AM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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To: Kackikat
groups were created to steal US taxpayer dollars in form of grants.

That's pretty much the racket everywhere you look - all starting with the legal profession. Whenever I see some outlandish court ruling or suit - after I get over the initial cognitive dissonance - I realize it's just some legal team dreaming up how to get on the government teat via adjucations.

Kind of like you're watching some movie, and somebody does something really dumb ("Don't go in the basement alone!!" you're screaming). Then you realize it's just a necessary plot device.

4 posted on 12/14/2014 6:32:56 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Kackikat

So true, Kackikat. And, their end goal is global government; the one-world model so dear to the hearts of anti-freedom socialists everywhere, including the a$$hat in the White Hut.

It’s well past time for this global cabal to be disbanded. At minimum, get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.


5 posted on 12/14/2014 6:36:06 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Kackikat

The global warming hoax is all about initiating an international consumption tax. It is a way for the UN to tax everyone.

Liberals have never seen a tax they didn’t like.


6 posted on 12/14/2014 6:45:04 AM PST by wrench (Ebola is not a threat to the US. 0bama says so, and he would never lie..........)
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To: Dartman

Why not shorten the headline? It will still be just as accurate.

“The UN is a socialist, money-sucking scheme.”


7 posted on 12/14/2014 6:51:45 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: wrench

Yes, but to get that kind of taxing power, they had to use US government grants to establish a huge boondoggle around the world with twisted facts....and get the big buildings and ads that made them powerful.


8 posted on 12/14/2014 6:54:00 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: Dartman

Here’s to PM Harper — WOOT!


9 posted on 12/14/2014 6:56:24 AM PST by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: PubliusMM

If only we could...I would love it, but this link shows how long the shadow government has been controlling our politics:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808

WE do not have two parties, we have one controlled by a group, with a few radicals on either side thrown in....and we saw that last night in the Senate, and the other day in the House. I think when they go through their indoctrination to Congress they find out what they are really in now.


10 posted on 12/14/2014 6:56:32 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: P.O.E.

Well said.


11 posted on 12/14/2014 7:14:51 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher

Thank you.


12 posted on 12/14/2014 7:32:53 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Dartman
Harper may be right but it begs the question what's he going to do about it?

I see no evidence that Canada is anything but a lapdog to US policy in this matter.

13 posted on 12/14/2014 7:36:23 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aide)
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To: Dartman

Why can’t the U.N. do something productive like fight I.S.I.L.


14 posted on 12/14/2014 7:38:07 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Dartman

So the entire theory of socialism is based upon spreading poverty and misery. And coicindently, that is exactly what it has done historically.


15 posted on 12/14/2014 9:23:40 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Dartman
The UN’s so-called plan to fight climate change is a socialist, money-sucking scheme.

Everybody knows that.

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16 posted on 12/14/2014 9:32:53 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The trouble with America is that it's full of Americans. - The commie DemocRATS.)
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To: Junk Silver

Now that, is funny !


17 posted on 12/14/2014 2:53:25 PM PST by Dartman (CDN PM Stephen Harper may not be perfect, but we don't have to be ashamed or embarassed of him.)
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