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Hallucinogenic Plants May Be Key to Decoding Ancient Southwestern Paintings, Expert Says
Western Digs ^ | October 17, 2014 | Blake de Pastino

Posted on 11/16/2014 9:42:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Dozens of rock art sites in southern New Mexico, recently documented for the first time, are revealing unexpected botanical clues that archaeologists say may help unlock the meaning of the ancient abstract paintings.

Over a swath of the Chihuahuan Desert stretching from Carlsbad to Las Cruces, at least 24 rock art panels have been found bearing the same distinctive pictographs: repeated series of triangles painted in combinations of red, yellow, and black.

And at each of these sites, archaeologists have noticed similarities not just on the rock, but in the ground.

Hallucinogenic plants were found growing beneath the triangle designs, including a particularly potent species of wild tobacco and the potentially deadly psychedelic known as datura.

Researchers believe that the plants may be a kind of living artifact, left there nearly a thousand years ago by shamans who smoked the leaves of the plants in preparation for their painting...

The region that Loendorf and his colleagues have been exploring was once home to the Jornada Mogollon, a culture of foraging farmers similar to the early Ancestral Puebloans, who occupied the territory from about the 5th to the 15th centuries.

Among the marks the Jornadans left on the land were sophisticated and colorful pictographs, ranging from recognizable plant, animal, and human forms to more abstract patterns.

They also crafted painted pottery in signature styles of red, brown, and black, known today as El Paso phase ceramics, which vary by era and design...

The triangle motifs first showed up at about 20 sites that the team surveyed at Fort Bliss, Loendorf said.

But it was during their second survey — of the lands around Carlsbad — that they noticed tobacco and datura growing under similar pictographs found there.

(Excerpt) Read more at westerndigs.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: cave; caveart; cavepainting; caves; datura; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; macroetymology; paleosigns; petroglyphs; spelunkers; spelunking
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To: SunkenCiv
Hallucinogenic Plants May Be Key to Decoding Ancient Southwestern Paintings, Expert Says


21 posted on 11/16/2014 10:10:59 AM PST by CtBigPat (Free Republic - The grown-ups table of the internet.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yep, certainly looks like something someone on LSD or peote’ would paint........I hope they didn’t end up cutting off an ear or something.


22 posted on 11/16/2014 10:12:58 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Don't harsh my buzz homie......)
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To: SunkenCiv

I was reading this thread

Two Rothko paintings fetch over $76 million at auction
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3225812/posts

I think Hallucinogenics must have been involved there also.


23 posted on 11/16/2014 10:13:26 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting and fascinating.

We can see why our society is becoming more primitive since the psychedelic revolution and widespread dope smoking.


24 posted on 11/16/2014 10:13:56 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

;’)


25 posted on 11/16/2014 10:19:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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To: CtBigPat

“...But the police in Denver, they don’t like none of them longhairs around.”


26 posted on 11/16/2014 10:26:19 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Fresh Wind

Ouch !


27 posted on 11/16/2014 10:28:22 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: going hot

I think scopolamine is the major chemical in datura above and beyond the atropine also present.


28 posted on 11/16/2014 10:44:12 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: SunkenCiv

Really interesting article.

I would not be surprised if when one smoked too much and died they believed they were immediately transported to the otherwise unreachable world of the spirits they only could see smoking the plants.

They may have even believed they were pulled their using the sacred plant to abuse or calling.


29 posted on 11/16/2014 10:51:28 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: ifinnegan
From Roger Gfeller's tox book: Datura is toxic in all parts, especially the seeds-the active toxins are atropin, hyoscyamine, and scopolamine.

What is of interest is atropine, scopolamine, even methyecgonine share the same base tropane, and differ only at the (?) ester bond.

The plants switch out the inorganic tail enzymatically while chemists have to use multiple steps to force the equation to the left.

30 posted on 11/16/2014 11:03:37 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: SunkenCiv

These triangles were very important to me during my childhood.

31 posted on 11/16/2014 11:06:47 AM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: SunkenCiv

OCCUPY sites already have wild tobacky present, hope they don’t hear about datura.. Be a shame. Lol


32 posted on 11/16/2014 11:14:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Maybe these were painted around 1969 by stoned hippies from Woodstock. Seems to be an antiwar theme in the patterns with some resembling a peace sign.

Or maybe Burning Man goes back even farther than we thought.


33 posted on 11/16/2014 11:20:44 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: SunkenCiv

34 posted on 11/16/2014 11:28:08 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Bullfights of Acid:

Alien Close Encounters on Peyote / Daytura:

Mulder drops his BigRed while tagging his site.


35 posted on 11/16/2014 12:05:07 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: going hot

I was wondering about Jimson Weed known in the southwest and Mexico as locoweed and para loco respectively.


36 posted on 11/16/2014 12:19:33 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: SunkenCiv
Ran into this one today and thought it was worth a look: Kennewick Man Update: New Details Released About 9,000-Year-Old Remains Found in Washington State
37 posted on 11/16/2014 1:58:05 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: SunkenCiv

Smoke a doobie and check it out man. Far out.


38 posted on 11/16/2014 1:58:19 PM PST by Professional Engineer (You all can go to hell, I'm going to Texas.)
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s also the key to understanding a lot of music from the late 60’s.


39 posted on 11/16/2014 3:39:04 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: SunkenCiv; Slings and Arrows; GeronL

It certainly is the key to decoding hippie music.


40 posted on 11/16/2014 5:56:31 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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