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Fisherman 'flummoxed' by 'mutant' sea creature
Odd_News ^ | Oct. 14, 2014

Posted on 10/14/2014 12:42:46 PM PDT by Brother Cracker

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To: Brother Cracker

Basket Star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_star


41 posted on 10/14/2014 2:00:00 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Axenolith

Spent many an hour in the marine bio lab...


42 posted on 10/14/2014 2:02:03 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Brother Cracker

OH DANG! I remember that B-movie from ages past!


43 posted on 10/14/2014 2:17:25 PM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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44 posted on 10/14/2014 2:26:05 PM PDT by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: Brother Cracker

They were flummoxed? I’m flummoxed too. How about you folks, are you all flummoxed too?


45 posted on 10/14/2014 2:27:24 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Brother Cracker

46 posted on 10/14/2014 2:33:07 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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47 posted on 10/14/2014 2:47:42 PM PDT by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: Brother Cracker

I’m lovin’ it.


48 posted on 10/14/2014 2:54:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (With a fresh, minty flavor.)
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To: jmacusa

Definite flummage here.


49 posted on 10/14/2014 3:02:28 PM PDT by mcshot (It's way beyond time: Prove it or get ther "F" out. He's hiding everything.)
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To: Brother Cracker

Sometimes, you just cut the line and pack up the tackle box and head home and hope that whatever you caught doesn’t crawl out of the ocean and stomp Tokyo into the ground.


50 posted on 10/14/2014 3:07:42 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6
Once upon a time I hooked one of these at Virginia Beach and it took a hook line and sinker out to sea.


51 posted on 10/14/2014 3:20:54 PM PDT by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: Brother Cracker

Oh he’s flummoxed alright! He’s the most flummoxing flummox I ever flummoxing saw! I move to make ‘’flummox’’ a FR key word or something there of.


52 posted on 10/14/2014 3:49:23 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Sound advice. The last thing you’d ever want to do it goes pissing off that big ass, ugly, over-grown lizard with the worst case of bad breath in history.


53 posted on 10/14/2014 3:52:33 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Lazamataz
Basket star. Good call.

I was thinking "brittle" star.

Checking your link just now brought back to mind having a biologist once tell me "basket" when I said brittle. They were right, being more precise -- but we always called them brittle stars.

Used to get ones similar to the one pictured out deep, 250 to 400 fathoms (possibly more? it's been a while) while bottom dragging off the West Coast.

I can't recall if I've seen them come from shallower depths, but it is possible.

One thing I was correct on once (which I rather regret) when a local marine biologist was wrong -- concerned what are called thornyhead rockfish/hardheads/idiots (yes, the old-timers called those fish "idiots").

Way back when there wasn't recognition that there was two differing species of the thing.

Before I pointed it out to a biologist and had that woman deny it, other biologists had noticed the differences, it just wasn't commonly known (way back then, early 1980's)

After dealing with tons of them at a time for a few years, I noticed they were not the same fish.

That sounds stupid I know...but it can be difficult to tell them apart if one doesn't know what to look for...and even then, when they are small, the distinction isn't always so clear, though usually (once one knows what to look for) the difference can be determined at a glance. I could probably still tell the difference at 20 paces...

None of this would have had much of any real effect on things -- the fish sold for the same ex-vessel price, went across the same cutting/processing tables, went to the same markets in the end (although sorted for size) etc.

What became a problem is there were different catch quotas for each species. And where I (and more than a few others) usually fished -- the quotas were significantly out-of-whack in comparison to what was there and would end up on the back deck.

These bad sets of numbers were then reinforced by yet more erroneous catch data. YEARS of it!

The species with the small quota (short-spine thornyhead), as those would be normally caught and part of the deep-water mix (particularly when one got deep enough to get out of the dover sole) would have large numbers of smallish fish.

The species with the large quota numbers (long spine thornyhead) were significantly less abundant, and those fish were not only small -- but they stayed small, never getting big like the short spines would.

These fish were basically red in color, but the shortspines, though a bit less "red" even when small, would tend to be more orangish color in comparison when they grew to larger sizes.

This led to significant amounts of short spines being landed as long spines when it came to "fish tickets" documentation, a copy of which had to go to the DF&G.

One time a fish cop (DF&G warden) asked me to show him the differences. I could have but wiggled my out of doing so, trying to not raise suspicions. I was successful on the first part, that second part not so much.

Which was a shame, since the fish cop was a generally righteous soul, one of the good guys. I was acquainted with him at that point, for the better part of 20 years. I hated to have to squirm away.

But I had no real choice in the matter, for it would have led to someone getting fined for what I knew to be bad information, which if properly enforced would have led to more needless waste, fines not deserved, and forced reduction in overall fishing efforts (which many forces were committed and aligned to bring about anyway).

There's more to the story of how the West Coast bottom trawl info the Feds (National Marine Fisheries) worked from could be FUBAR --- but that's enough for now.

54 posted on 10/14/2014 4:07:45 PM PDT by BlueDragon (no more in darkness no more in night I am sohappy no sorrow in sight praise the Lord I saw the light)
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