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Burnt Magna Carta read for first time in 283 Years
Fox News/Live Science ^ | 10.13.2014 | Stephanie Pappas

Posted on 10/13/2014 11:52:17 AM PDT by dware

More than 280 years after it was damaged in a fire, one of the original copies of the Magna Carta is legible again.

Written in 1215, the Magna Carta required the king of England King John to cede absolute power. Today, the Magna Carta is seen as a first step toward constitutional law rather than the hereditary power of royalty. There were four copies of the document created at the time. One, held by the British Library, was badly damaged in a fire in 1731.

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1 posted on 10/13/2014 11:52:17 AM PDT by dware
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To: SunkenCiv

PinGGG!


2 posted on 10/13/2014 11:52:36 AM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: dware

Didn’t Henry VIII more of less reverse the Magna Carta by consolidating absolute power?


3 posted on 10/13/2014 12:10:48 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Didn’t Henry VIII more or less reverse the Magna Carta by consolidating absolute power?

Not really. He thought that he was above the law and got laws passed to inflict his will.

However, the will of the people supersedes any opinion a king may have when his will interferes with their will.

Henry's action only appeared to reverse the Magna Carta.

4 posted on 10/13/2014 12:31:39 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox
Henry's action only appeared to reverse the Magna Carta.

Much like the USSC's rulings and the Congresses's laws appear to reverse the Constitution?

5 posted on 10/13/2014 12:40:04 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yes.


6 posted on 10/13/2014 12:40:41 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: dware

I’ve seen the copy that’s in Salisbury Cathedral, an historical curiosity in present day socialist Britain. Getting that way quickly here in Obama’s communist America.


7 posted on 10/13/2014 12:40:49 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Charles I would think otherwise.


8 posted on 10/13/2014 12:50:45 PM PDT by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: dware

There are quite a few original copies. I remember Ross Perot saying he bought a framed original. Instead of having it shipped, he just put it in his suitcase. At the airport one of the customs officers had him open his suitcase, and asked what he had.

“It’s the Magna Carta.”

“Oh. Very well, carry on.”


9 posted on 10/13/2014 1:18:53 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: Hugin
There are quite a few original copies.

There are only four 'true originals' (from 1215) including this burnt one. Ross Perot owned a copy from 1297 - which is the version that is still considered part of English law in a technical sense (nearly all the provisions have been modified by later laws, but it's still 'on the books' as applying in any case where it wasn't modified.

10 posted on 10/13/2014 1:36:39 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

So...the one I have from the late 1700’s isn’t worth much, eh?


11 posted on 10/13/2014 1:47:25 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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To: goodnesswins
So...the one I have from the late 1700’s isn’t worth much, eh?

It would still be nice to have - and (speaking as an amateur in this area) it could still be worth hundreds or even thousands depending on its rarity and condition.

And Perot's 1297 copy (now owned by David Rubenstein who has loaned it to the US National Archives) is still a very valuable document - there are less than twenty known Magna Carta's from the thirteenth century and all could expect to sell for millions, if not tens of millions - but if one of the 1215s ever went up for sale, it would probably break all records for sale price for any document.

12 posted on 10/13/2014 2:13:13 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: dware

badly damaged in a fire in 1731......
So the democrat equivalent party at that time tried to burn their constitution. Kinda like today.


13 posted on 10/13/2014 2:19:55 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: dware

Obama sub lege.

Well, one can dream, can’t one?


14 posted on 10/13/2014 2:21:43 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: Slyfox

I didn’t mean to imply he reversed it in law, only in effect as you say. A reminder how paper means nothing if it isn’t enforced.


15 posted on 10/14/2014 6:33:33 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
None of the kings liked the Magna Carta and they were not short of people reminding them that they needed to follow the law.

Sorta sounds familiar, dudn't it?

16 posted on 10/14/2014 6:36:51 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox

Yes my purpose in posting what I did in the first place. There are legions of folks out there wanting to shred the Constituition.


17 posted on 10/14/2014 6:38:15 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: dware; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...
Thanks dware.


18 posted on 10/19/2014 4:44:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; Slyfox; SunkenCiv
Didn’t Henry VIII more of less reverse the Magna Carta by consolidating absolute power?

The English Civil War and the later Glorious Revolution were all about attempts by kings to consolidate power. At the end of the day, Parliament's rights were established in the English "constitution" and England had become a constitutional monarchy.

19 posted on 10/21/2014 12:59:10 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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