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If Your Pastor Has A $60k A Year Clothing Allowance, You Probably Should Leave That Church
Townhall.com ^ | 10-12-2014 | Doug Giles

Posted on 10/11/2014 9:11:03 PM PDT by servo1969

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To: servo1969
Another pet peeve of mine - a glitzy glamorous "worship team". I am not a fan of a professional "worship leader" either.

Worship is not a performance. If my eyes are on the "worship team" and not on Jesus during the worship, then there is a problem. If I am going to church to be entertained by the "worship team" during worship then there is a problem. You may be "lifting a joyful noise unto the Lord", but hey that is worship in the sight of the Lord.

Further, if I need a professional worship leader to direct me in worship, that is a problem. If I have a problem worshiping without a "worship leader" directing me, then it is time to get on my knees before God.

... just trying to picture Jesus on the stage with a great band, babes doing their performance, and the stud muffin doing the worship leader thing.

41 posted on 10/12/2014 1:40:51 AM PDT by Moorings
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To: DeFault User

“This fellow is still bush league compared to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker”

LOL! I remember Them way back in the day when they were first getting into televangelism. They would bring people up in stage with various afflictions and Jim would place his hands on whatever part of the body and do a prayer, ending with a request (demand) for God to heal. And, the afflicted person would be healed. My favorite healing demonstration was when Jim stretched a guy’s leg to be the same length as the other. The guy, after being healed, got up and walked off the stage with nary a limp. Truly a miracle......


42 posted on 10/12/2014 3:59:31 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: servo1969
If your pastor quotes Oprah more than Obadiah, leave.

Well I most certainly agree!

43 posted on 10/12/2014 4:05:11 AM PDT by Obadiah (None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: Dave W
Sigh. I think you missed the entire point of what my grandfather said. Be wary of any preacher who dresses like a wealthy man.

Not all saying are literal, you know.

44 posted on 10/12/2014 4:54:39 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: servo1969

My husband’s family’s church, a small 100+ year old country Baptist church, hand built my husband’s grandfather and other members, has a pastor who quoted The Andy Griffin Show one Sunday. It was actually pretty special!

And those women can COOK!!!!!! They have Sunday dinner afterwards sometimes- every dish is lovingly made from scratch- biscuits, cornbread, fried chicken, pot roast and gravy, deviled eggs, ice box pies, potato salads- a feast for kings. I keep telling them they need a nap room for after dinner but, nothing has been done about that yet.


45 posted on 10/12/2014 5:13:53 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: shibumi
a Lutheran (ELCA) church

A combination of bad communication and horrible timing recently put us in a position to endure a service conducted by an ELCA pastor who contributed a non sequitur of a micro-sermon. At the conclusion, he practically ran out the door in his fancy new shoes and zoomed off in his gleaming new sports car. He was, however, not in such a hurry that he missed getting his "gratuity."

It was really quite the spectacle, and caused a number of attendees - of various denominations - to wax cynical.

Mr. niteowl77 (ex-ELCA)

46 posted on 10/12/2014 5:40:53 AM PDT by niteowl77 (The five stages of Progressive persuasion: lecture, nudge, shove, arrest, liquidate.)
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This fellow is still bush league compared to Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, who had gold faucets in their bathrooms, an air conditioned dog house and gave away cars like Elvis.

Did you know Jim Bakker is remarried and has his own show again? Now they're selling prepper food. At least you get something of value for your dollars this time.

http://jimbakkershow.com/

47 posted on 10/12/2014 5:54:19 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, made me think of that guy, too.


48 posted on 10/12/2014 5:55:59 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Later


49 posted on 10/12/2014 6:07:17 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: TangoLimaSierra; DeFault User
As long as we're wallowing in the sordid world of the Bakkers, let's give a hat tip to the man who was the "Eye of the Storm" - Tammy Faye's paramour - Mr. "Alley Oop" himself - Gary S. Paxton -

(He boldly went where Jim Bakker had gone before and has seen beyond the Mascara Barrier.)

Evidently he was Blinded by the Light.

50 posted on 10/12/2014 6:09:35 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: servo1969
What some people don't seem to realize is that church is a business just like any other. A significant number of people make their living on religion - many of them a very good living.

For all we hear about "vows of poverty", most churches and their surrounding property has market value of millions of dollars. The Catholic church is an extreme example of this. It is pretty much impossible to calculate the net worth of the Catholic Church but it is said to run into ELEVEN figures.

Think about that next time you toss something into the collection plate.

51 posted on 10/12/2014 10:42:00 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Leaning Right
My apologies. I did take your comment as literal and I agree with your grandfather's sentiment.
52 posted on 10/12/2014 2:53:33 PM PDT by Dave W
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You must be referring to Joel Osteen but I’m not sure if he is from Houston, but fits that mold completely.


53 posted on 10/12/2014 4:21:56 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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