Posted on 10/05/2014 9:08:17 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry
.. all we do is spin wheels arguing for no good end.
While free & open debate of the issues is undoubtedly a good thing, there usually comes a point at which the primary aim risks becoming hopelessly mired in minutia and/or ego wrestling.
The instant case, along with countless others ad infinitum, and the reason for pinging Jim to this thread, reminds me of the Constitutional Convention.
How many times during that historic session did lesser sectional differences threaten to derail the entire process, thereby aborting our nation's very birth.
The primary question then, no more or less than now, was: were we to be a republic, or were we to continue into perpetuity as some fascist variation of a monarchical vassal state.
In that context, it's difficult to see the current crop of RINOs as anything other than 'the king's men', the 'men' descriptor being often in much doubt.
Their individual human flaws notwithstanding, it strains credulity to imagine Mr. Franklin, or the Adams cousins, et al lacking, in the end, the fortitude to declare: NO MONARCHY HERE !
And that's precisely the precipice on which our Nation is currently perched; teetering over the gapingly ravenous chasm which is the dustbin of history, and the grave of liberty and dreams.
Following the last CF 'election' of fraud, apathy, and (disgusting) white guilt that allowed the continuation of the putsch of '08, I changed my registration to Independent and haven't looked back for a moment.
Ever since, my email inbox delivers daily laughter for free via multiple mewling RINO slugs promising - always promising - sweetness and light this time in exchange for my vote and/or dollars.
(with much emphasis on the latter, of course)
So the snippet of your post that I quoted above is there for good reason, and leads to my final point.
While certainly no debate champion nor prolific writer, I prefer to think that forty years of paying relatively close attention to the nation's health have clarified (what passes for) my thinking.
And hence, I intend to forego engaging in pointless, often seemingly endless, wrangling with those who've chosen to prostitute themselves, with whatever motives, to GOPer prerogitaves.
Which is merely another way of saying that it's incumbent on each true citizen to weigh the shameful current state of affairs and decide for themselves: republic or monarchy.
Imho, if it's to be the latter, better that it crashes, with hopes of being rebuilt and maintained more strictly in alignment with the Founders' intentions the next time around.
Give me Liberty, or give me Death
And if that makes me a purist, so be it.
I wholly agree.
The same lies, condemnations and other crap fronted by the Rino/Dem/Freeper left is the same beaten into the ground crap that we have rehashed for literally 6 years. Enough is enough.
We have 2 years to get behind ONE conservative and get them on the ballot, funded and supported. We CANNOT do that, as history has proven, when all we do is wast resourse and effort arguing the same tired crap over and over.
We all see it. We all deal with it. Some of us are fighting with these fools daily while others simply want to avoid the drama altogether and I get that.
But there should be no drama. There should be no dispute that principle matters and electing principled people matters. We can’t even do that much because whether it’s flaglady 47 telling us we are Obama/Reid lovers, this clown or any of a number of other ‘freepers’ spewing Romney excuses 2 full years after he tanked the party and the election, a significant number of ‘our own’ are demonstratably on the same page, nor obviously believe in the basic concepts of conservatism.
It’s pretty basic stuff. If a person is arguing for situational ethics just to win, that’s not conservative. No argument can be made that it’s conservative. And when those idiots are trashing us for fighting for conservative values and positions, THEY are not conservative.
So as I said before many times. We can either get our collective act together and oppose the RINO/leftists in our own ranks or lets all just call it good and vote for whoever the GOP fronts this time because we don’t have any more foundational beliefs than they do.
One or the other. We get our shit together now and fight for what we believed or we get stomped. And that ain’t happening if we all let the lib wing of FR keep pushing RINOism and calling us the devil himself for the basics.
EDIT:
a significant number of ‘our own’ are demonstratably—NOT— on the same page, nor obviously believe in the basic concepts of conservatism.
We are undergoing a political 'cleansing' by the Ruling Class in Washington.
Until you are willing to hold out for statesmen, you will be left with mere politicians.
Who are the statesmen running for public office? I would love to support one. They seem to be as rare as hen’s teeth. What is the plan if we can’t find any statesmen out there? Whom do we support, or do we just slink off into a corner and complain about the state of affairs?
I have but one vote, and I will always exercise it, and I will always vote for a Conservative.
I don't have a problem finding someone who believes what they are saying - who has a passion for the very things that I hold dear. Maybe you should widen the scope of your view... Look past that big rhinestone 'R' that is blinding you. In your desperation against the 'other party', you seem to ignore that your party is little different. The battle is Conservatism vs. Liberalism/Socialism/Communism, *not* Democrat vs. Republican.
Whom do we support, or do we just slink off into a corner and complain about the state of affairs?
I don't eat out much. Maybe two or three times a month... Invariably, when I do, it is because circumstance causes it to be easier to order takeout rather than cook - Hence I spend my money, not for the treat that it should be, but rather for the convenience and short-term gain. Also invariably, for the cause of convenience and short term gain, my choice tends toward Mac's Diner, or Little Squeezer's, or some other such place... Cheap, fast, in-and-out, instant gratification.
A recent epiphany informed me that for a paltry sum in difference, that I could go to an actual sit-down restaurant, order real food, food that I want to eat, not only delectable, but varied, and that I could be served graciously, by people who really genuinely want me to come back...
Think about it.
All of the conservatives have left the Democrat Party. The fringe parties don’t have any political power and are incapable of electing anyone to a meaningful office. That leaves the Republican Party which unfortunately still has liberals in their ranks. Here in Kansas, Governor Brownback ran the liberal Republicans out of the legislature leaving out in the cold. They are fighting to get back in, but are unlikely to succeed. Other similar fights are ongoing and conservatives are winning.
I’m not going to support Democrats or wait on the sidelines until the Republicans complete their realignment.
I've got news for you - most of the Conservatives have left the Republican party too.
The fringe parties don’t have any political power and are incapable of electing anyone to a meaningful office.
Without the Conservatives, neither do the Republicans have such power.
That leaves the Republican Party which unfortunately still has liberals in their ranks. Here in Kansas, Governor Brownback ran the liberal Republicans out of the legislature leaving out in the cold. They are fighting to get back in, but are unlikely to succeed. Other similar fights are ongoing and conservatives are winning.
Good for you.
I’m not going to support Democrats or wait on the sidelines until the Republicans complete their realignment.
Knock yourself out. As for me, I am Independent, like most folks I know now are (including my kin in KS). I have no tie to the Republicans, or the Democrats, and could not care any less for party affiliations. If you want me to vote for somebody, he'd better have a Conservative record, or you simply will not be able to entice me to vote for him. End of story.
And as an aside, I waited thirty years already for the 'Republicans to complete their alignment'... IMHO, you are waiting for something that will never happen. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
I understand that. I am registered as a Republican so that I can vote in primaries. I do not give money to the GOP, never have, choosing to send money directly to conservative candidates. I am not longer a member of our county Republican party, they are worse than useless. But, I vote for Republicans because that's how political power is gained and exercised. Have you noticed that the only two Independent members of the U.S. Senate caucus with the Democrats and are left of Karl Marx. Greg Orman, "Independent" running for the Senate in Kansas will do the same. I can't think of a conservative independent in any national office. Makes people feel better, I suppose. Doesn't do anything to help elect conservatives.
That just gets you more Republicans, not more Conservatives.
Much better result than getting more Democrats. Have you noticed that the number of conservatives is growing at the local, state, and national levels. All this obsession with the old dinosaurs has blinded many people to what is going on. Who among them could get elected today if they were not entrenched incumbents. My guess: none.
I fail to see a measurable difference at all.
Have you noticed that the number of conservatives is growing at the local, state, and national levels. All this obsession with the old dinosaurs has blinded many people to what is going on.
If so, hurrah.
Who among them could get elected today if they were not entrenched incumbents. My guess: none.
Which brings me right back to my original statement:
If you won't hold out for statesmen, what you will get is mere politicians... Me, I don't mind an entrenched statesman. Had we voted for them a generation ago, we would not be in the shape we find ourselves in now. Who we let in there now determines the next generation. Choose wisely.
This video sums it up for me going forward:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUsLDzXWUU4
If you vote GOP-E as a conservative, you aren't influencing their behavior, you're reinforcing it. That's what people here have been trying to tell you.
I pick the best of the litter
If your vote doesn't go to the most conservative candidate on your ballot, then no, you don't. That's the other thing people here have been trying to tell you.
It’s hard being family to an alcoholic. Your heart tells you to continue “loving” them until your brain realizes that true love is the opposite of enabling.
Many people spend their lives enabling —with the best of intentions. Those who love conservatism need to apply that same tough love for the good of the GOP. And, if that doesn’t work, they have to leave the party to keep themselves and their loved ones healthy.
Too many conservatives are that loyal spouse— always believing that they won’t get beat again. It’s sad really, but you can’t help those who refuse to even consider leaving. Victims can never be reconciled with their abusers, unless they find the strength to stand on their own.
Well said.
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