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The story of the A-10 and why the F-35 cannot replace it. (video)
wimp.com ^ | 8-26-2014 | wimp.com

Posted on 08/26/2014 4:58:24 AM PDT by servo1969

Pierre Sprey is one of the original designers of the A-10 Warthog during the 1970s. He provides insight into why the aircraft is so loved by ground troops in the military, and why its recent retirement from Air Force operations is so hotly debated.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Military/Veterans; Science
KEYWORDS: a10; f35; fairchild; warthog
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To: servo1969

A-10 vs. ground support helicopter?


21 posted on 08/26/2014 5:33:16 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: servo1969

In 2003, the assets of Fairchild were purchased by M7 Aerospace and the new company was relocated to San Antonio.

On December 15, 2010, M7 was purchased by the United States subsidiary of the Israeli defense contractor Elbit Systems.


23 posted on 08/26/2014 5:33:39 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Darksheare
Yes. As the video shows the entire point is to be low and slow. Being hit is not avoidable. That's why they designed the A-10 with redundant mechanical control systems, stuck the engines outside the fuselage away from the fuel tanks and built a titanium bathtub around the pilot. Any plane that flies fast or high enough to avoid ground fire can't do the A-10's job.


OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM -- A-10 Thunderbolt II maintenance members from the 392nd Air Expeditionary Wing inspect their aircraft for any additional damage after it was hit by an Iraqi missile in the right engine. The A-10 made it back to the base safely. (U. S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Shane A. Cuomo)

24 posted on 08/26/2014 5:34:58 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969; All
Off topic question, if I may

Anyone remember during Desert Storm, the black BG who was Schwartzkopf's press briefing officer? What was his name, and where'd his career go afterwards..

25 posted on 08/26/2014 5:38:56 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: smokingfrog
“In 2003, the assets of Fairchild were purchased by M7 Aerospace and the new company was relocated to San Antonio.”

That was the San Antonio division, that had nothing to do with the A-10. And the company had previously been sold once before, they just kept the Fairchild name.

The A10 program has bounced around a couple of times. I think it was at one time part of Northrop, but I believe it is now managed by Boeing.

As far as the tooling goes, it was kept till around the mid 1980’s,hoping that Regan might reignite the possibility of European sales. When that didn't happen, Fairchild went to the Air Force and said, “what do we do with it?” A scrap order was issued shortly thereafter.

All of the technical data was sent to an Air Force storage facility. But it was improperly stored and most of the drawings being on Mylar, stuck together and were ruined. We (taxpayers) paid Boeing to reconstruct them in the early 2000s.

26 posted on 08/26/2014 5:41:11 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: logic101.net

Beef up the undercarriage a bit to make them carrier capable and give them to the Marines.


27 posted on 08/26/2014 5:42:20 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: I cannot think of a name

Darn. I was hoping the Israelis might start making them.


28 posted on 08/26/2014 5:46:43 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ken5050

some idiot careerist..started a political career..Bowels (iirc).


29 posted on 08/26/2014 5:51:50 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...eh? "Bathhouse" 0'Mullah? d8^)
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To: Darksheare

From my sources, as limited as they now are, the reason that the AF didn’t retire the A-10 in the early 1990’s, think DESERT SHIELD/DESERT STORM, is the Army needed it.

There were some very interesting urban stories surrounding a meeting between Gen Schwarzkopf (USA) and Gen Dugan (USAF).

Apparently the US Army didn’t fight hard enough to keep the A-10. Either that or there was some very interesting behind the scenes trades.

BLUF - the grunts are left holding the bag again.


30 posted on 08/26/2014 6:00:42 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: servo1969

As a Corporal in the 2nd Marine Division during the First Gulf War, I got to see these babies up close and personal!

Too DAMN personal on one occasion as we were incorrectly marked for target; they were tearing up the ground walking onto target when they finally pulled up! WHEW!!! More than one pair of shorts needed to be changed on that day!!

But, watching these aircraft chew up one line and down another with deadly precision, is enough to make a grown ass Marine cry tears of joy!!


31 posted on 08/26/2014 6:08:28 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: servo1969

The AF never liked or wanted the A-10, which was designed by the Army, but forced upon the AF.


32 posted on 08/26/2014 6:11:52 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want a Speaker who'll stick that pen and phone where no one but Reggie Love can find it!)
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To: servo1969

Every time they show clips of those ISIS technicals, I think what an A-10 could accomplish.


33 posted on 08/26/2014 6:21:44 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Kerry, as Obama's plenipotentiary, is a paradox - the physical presence of a geopolitical absence")
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To: servo1969

I’d like to remind the big brass F-35 pushers how well the Me262 worked as a bomber. Warbirds are not a one size fits all proposition.


34 posted on 08/26/2014 6:26:04 AM PDT by W. (Congress: Never bet against their ability to grow stupidity exponentially.)
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To: lurk

I am sure was the Govt to put out a request for new A-10’s we could make them.

Problem would be the Govt trying to make the new ones better.


35 posted on 08/26/2014 6:52:22 AM PDT by Bailee
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To: servo1969

In this country we have a love of all things high tech especially in military aviation. We are convinced that adding every conceivable gadget, bell and whistle makes things superior, but overlook that sometimes simpler technology can do the job better, more reliably and for less cost. There is a story, while not true, that NASA spent millions developing a ball point pen to write in zero G while the Russians used a pencil. It is easy to believe that story given our history of doing just that.


36 posted on 08/26/2014 7:25:19 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: The Antiyuppie
“All of the equipment and tooling used for construction of the A10 is also destroyed.” WHY do they do sh#$ like this? Do they think that the Commies are going to get their hands on it or something??? This is a big country. Don’t we have the space for it????

Why? It is to ensure the A-10 stays dead, and cannot be resurrected. It is done to totally commit us to the new stuff, to ensure that we cannot say "The A-10 replacement sucks, let's just cancel the project and go back to making A-10s, or enhanced A-10s".

37 posted on 08/26/2014 7:25:24 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: servo1969

Follow the money...and the acquisition announcements.


38 posted on 08/26/2014 7:30:36 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Paladin2
A-10 vs. ground support helicopter?

This doesn't answer your question but a friend of mine is a Apache pilot and he told me that it is just awe-inspiring to watch the destruction that an A-10 can deliver. I'm sure his Apache can open a can of whoop-ass, too.

39 posted on 08/26/2014 7:48:39 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: CommerceComet; Paladin2
This doesn't answer your question but a friend of mine is a Apache pilot and he told me that it is just awe-inspiring to watch the destruction that an A-10 can deliver. I'm sure his Apache can open a can of whoop-ass, too.

I've conducted live fire Joint Air Attack Team missions with A-10s from the front seat of an AH-64. One of my best memories. I also served in the infantry soon after the A-10 was first fielded and conducted live fire CAS training missions with them. I have a special place in my heart for A-10 drivers and the machines they fly. They are "different" from their Air Force brethren and totally focused on supporting the ground commanders' battle. Meat Eaters, each and every one. It's a damned shame to watch this awesome platform being phased out. Nothing super fancy about it. Just brute force combined with subsonic, low altitude ballet and can take a beating.

40 posted on 08/26/2014 8:07:28 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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