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Posted on 08/01/2014 8:06:50 AM PDT by Mier

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Just Say NO to Smart Meters folks! Pass it on!!
1 posted on 08/01/2014 8:06:50 AM PDT by Mier
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To: Mier

Could you post the letter mentioned as it does not show up on this video.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 8:18:01 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Mier

heck, my utility still sends a lady around to read the meter. its that stupid. (the meter, not the lady)..

They have said they have no intention of changing.

I’ll hold um to it.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 8:23:20 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Mier

So, where will you get your electricity ?


4 posted on 08/01/2014 8:28:44 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Mier

Bookmark for later.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 8:35:17 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Mier

LOL....Ok....

Other than the hyperbole, the smart meter develops no more useful data then the long used “demand meter” that most businesses have been required to use for decades.

.....and they can’t really tell if you are using a toothbrush or even a vibrating sex toy, which is where this guy was going with his diatribe.

...and if you are growing pot, they can tell that with a “dumb” meter. The authorities do that now.

Really too funny...


6 posted on 08/01/2014 8:45:42 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Mier

Wish I didn’t have one. We changed out the main breaker and a lineman showed up to rag on us. Smart meter reported the disconnect and it didn’t take 30 minutes for the surly bastard to show up.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 8:52:44 AM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Cold Heat

ya, he went off the deep end.. can they see the elevated draw of something?

yes, they likely can.

But they don’t know what that something is.


8 posted on 08/01/2014 8:53:33 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Mier

meh. I got a smart meter and I think its great that I know this information. ISP know your data usage per day and provide that info to you, do you worry about that as well?


9 posted on 08/01/2014 8:54:41 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: cableguymn

Reminds me of the days when solid state TV’s, a major leap of tech at the time, combined with the increased usage of video camera’s, were though to be able to see you watching it. (with audio)


10 posted on 08/01/2014 9:03:30 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Mier

I tried but the Utility Kollective enacted such usurious fees to opt out that I finally capitulated to their extortion. That’s what I called in in my letter to them too.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 9:12:08 AM PDT by cyclotic (America's premier outdoor adventure association for boys-traillifeusa.com d)
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To: Cold Heat

However, they can control your electric use, such as shutting it off for 10 mins out of the hour during peak times. Or any other time ‘deemed necessary’. At least my co-op gave its customers a 3lb packet that explains this. It reads like the ACA.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 9:52:01 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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bfl


13 posted on 08/01/2014 9:55:42 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: Rex Anderson

Not really.....I don’t know if we are talking about some different type of smart meter someplace, but the ones I am familiar with do not have the capability to interrupt the feed.

On a 200 amp service,(most common) for example. a 200 amp switch or contactor would be required.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 9:57:22 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Rex Anderson

Shutting down power is and has been achieved for decades by shutting down portions of the power grid at the main switches.


15 posted on 08/01/2014 9:58:45 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat
Not really.....I don’t know if we are talking about some different type of smart meter someplace, but the ones I am familiar with do not have the capability to interrupt the feed.

Some years ago the Wisconsin Energy people offered a program where the customer would get a five dollar rebate applied to their monthly bill if they allowed WEPCO to add a switching device to their electric water heater. The idea was to reduce "peak" loading by shutting down your water heater for ten minutes at a time.

They could never switch off the entire load as the device was hard wired into just one 220 volt branch circuit. I got the rebate for years and never noticed a change in water temperature. Eventually WEPCO sent out letters announcing that they were abandoning the program. I pulled out their hardware just to be sure they didn't cheat.

The device operated like the X10 system which sent a pulse coded high frequency (100KHZ) signal atop the 60HZ carrier wave. Such hardware is very sensitive to line noise from lightning.

Regards,
GtG

16 posted on 08/01/2014 10:40:08 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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Yeah, you can do that with anything, including the total power supply to the residential house or business.

You have to install the equipment first, of course.

But a smart meter by it’s self, can’t do that. Which was what I argued.

Power lines and power supplies to commercial buildings and residences, being a hard wired systems, have been exploited for various reasons as far back as WWII when spy gear was used by allies and foes...

You can do most anything...the point is, that they are not doing anything now that they have not done before in the past.

What smart meters do, that the old tech could not do, is to provide “real time” data to improve service and repair, as well as detection of power losses for what ever reason. And that includes the detection of power theft, which was difficult to narrow down without the real time data.

With real time data, they can determine a power loss quickly and more accurately, while also narrowing it down to a smaller area. The loss could be a resistive line fault or bad transformer. Or just as commonly a theft of power.

At least this is why they justify the upfront expense. IMO

But it’s not intended to micro manage your power usage, with the exception of protecting the grid. The more you know about what is going on in real time, the more likely a lineman or technician would be able to know exactly where to go, rather than have to do a tedious step by step troubleshooting plan.


17 posted on 08/01/2014 10:59:07 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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Oh dear God, not this again.

Anyone who wants the real truth from an engineer who designs them for a living, speak up.

18 posted on 08/01/2014 11:21:51 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Sequoyah101
Wish I didn’t have one. We changed out the main breaker and a lineman showed up to rag on us. Smart meter reported the disconnect and it didn’t take 30 minutes for the surly bastard to show up.

Yeah. It would have been a lot better to have a "dumb" electromechanical meter, that cannot detect disconnects that, under certain conditions, could burn your house down. Gee, who needs a house anyway? /s

19 posted on 08/01/2014 11:24:14 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Rex Anderson
However, they can control your electric use, such as shutting it off for 10 mins out of the hour during peak times. Or any other time ‘deemed necessary’. At least my co-op gave its customers a 3lb packet that explains this. It reads like the ACA.

Only if you agree to "peak shaving", and only if you have load switches installed on your water heater, pool pump, electric heat, etc. I will stand right here and state unequivocally: NO ELECTRIC UTILITY disconnects ENTIRE residential households on a "peak shaving" program. NONE.

Okay, next "smart meter" claim to debunk, please.

20 posted on 08/01/2014 11:26:37 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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