Posted on 07/25/2014 10:21:41 PM PDT by Citizen Zed
Any discussion of Republicans working to impeach US President Barack Hussein Obama over any executive action he might take on immigration is “pure politics,” Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) said Friday.
“The president is behind that narrative,” the 3-term GOP congressman from Louisiana said. “There has not been any discussions on the impeachment of this president. Republicans do not want to go there.
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Respectfully, it does little or no good for congress to “investigate” all the impeachable offenses (or lack of constitutional qualification for office) if it remains obvious that the congressional leadership either supports O or at least is determined to continue proteting him
and... he is not dumb. he can see that there is no danger whatsoever from congress/comrade Boehner
Carefull Barry. If you keep fanning those flames of discontent, the notion of impeachment may become first a familiar idea, then a comfortable one for both sides.
Hillary and Petraeus both announced their resignations in the morning hours the day after the fraudulent election of 2012. Nobody expected odinga to win, not even odinga himself, and all the participants in the Benghazi cover-up had obviously been promised presidential pardons to be delivered prior to his expected departure from office in January 2013.
When the fraud machine cranked out the miracle, a whole truckload of criminal Democrats experienced panic beyond compare. "OMG, there goes my presidential pardon!"
With four more years, and plenty of time for impeachment proceedings, there was nothing left to do but keep cranking out daily crises of treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors.
Impeachment is a House process. Whether the Senate convicts, or ever would convict, or ever even pretend to try any such impeachment, the Constitutional suspension of the presidential power of pardon is triggered by the impeachment process, and possibly retroactive to the beginnings of investigations for impeachable offenses. There are many.
I gotta read, the US Constitution again, it’s been a long time.
It takes 67 senators to remove a president. No point bringing an impeachment until removal is assured. That would take a spectacular November.
Impeachment is not a criminal process. Its sanctions are limited to removal from office (thanks to the memory of Charlie I, no doubt!).
The power of pardon is over the federal criminal process.
Still unresolved is, can a president pardon himself (but that would be wrong, LOL) for criminal offenses committed while in office?
In case of impeachment, they can kiss their pardons goodbye.
Just little crack in the dam. Nothing to worry about.
That assumes he's actually removed, which is highly unlikely.
Until he's removed, he can issue pardons, except in the case of individuals who themselves have been impeached. That's a pretty tiny class of persons.
As for the little people, such as Lois Lerner, he can pardon until he's red in his gray face.
But there are littler people than Lois Lerner, who threaten to escape Presidential notice. These cretins should live in fear of a Republican DOJ bent on destroying their lives for their dedication to Progress!
That assumes he's actually removed, which is highly unlikely.
Until he's removed, he can issue pardons, except in the case of individuals who themselves have been impeached. That's a pretty tiny class of persons.
Impeachment and removal from office are two separate parts of the process. The Constitution states, "... in cases of impeachment."
I do realize that everyone has lost faith in everything and everybody, and for good reason. However, we are not dead yet, and we are obligated to push for justice.
impeach?
obammy deserves what Benito got.
Another way of reading it: “Obama admits that he should be impeached.”
With respect, I believe that section refers to the individual under impeachment being ineligible to receive a pardon, not the president himself. In other words, it’s another of the framers’ clever means of maintaining separation of powers: since impeachment is supposed to be a serious business, they did not want a president issuing pardons willy-nilly to blunt congressional power.
As for Obama, this is a sign of Jarrett’s intellectually bankrupt desperation. They have literally nothing positive to say about themselves or their party and merely hope to sling mud and claim persecution. For once, the GOP’s passive stance may help them laugh off such paranoid fantasies by the White House.
Yes, but does that mean his power to pardon is suspended the moment the House passes articles of impeachment? Or the moment he's no longer the President, having been removed by the Senate?
Or does it simply mean that the pardon power doesn't extend to canceling an impeachment (e.g., of any federal office holder, say Alcee Hastings)?
This link would indicate it only keeps the president from interfering in impeachments, not from pardoning in general (boldface added):
But how, if at all, should such a power [of pardon] be limited? A proposal introduced by Connecticut's Roger Sherman to make Presidential pardons subject to the consent of the Senate was considered but quickly rejected by the Convention (the Senate was deemed to be powerful enough already). So was Luther Martin's suggestion of confining pardons to convicted persons only; the Framers concluded that pre-conviction pardons might be useful to further national interests - immediately pardoning a captured spy, for instance, might produce yield important military intelligence. The Constitutional Convention did, however, agree that pardons could not be issued "in cases of impeachment"; this may have been prompted by concerns arising from a 17th century English constitutional crisis which had developed after King Charles II pardoned the Earl of Danby, Thomas Osborne, who had been impeached by Parliament.With the single exception of impeachment, then, the pardon power emerged from Philadelphia as exclusive, broad, and unfettered by the regular checks and balances of the governmental structure.
Joe Biden is the prize for a successful impeachment. Had Hitlery been the prize the Democrats would have impeached Pee-Wee themselves.
Talk of impeachment is nonsense. He should be tried for treason and administered the proper punishment.
We don’t have to impeach him, we do have the power to DEFUND him! Why do the republicans keep sending him his allowance...years ago, mine was cut off often for “infractions.” Bad exec order? Too bad, no allowance.
Have new laws been put in place to actually vet foreign candidates and make all their writings public, no hiding anything? I would think that being a member of the communist party should be regarded as an enemy of the state.
Second, we don't have anywhere near the votes in the senate.
Third, there is a much better way to deal with this guy without making him a victim, but it requires just as much guts as impeachment: DEFUND and that means shutting the government down.
Cruz had this exactly right two years ago. Would have been much easier to swallow the meds then.
BTW, this is Zero's only card left. The only way--he's at 39% on GALLUP now, remember?---for him to survive the next two years without going into the 20s is to be a victim.
Well, the GOP may want to start the proceedings before all of Gitmo is pardoned.
I don't want Obama to be impeached. It'll give him an excuse to rally the base. The base is mostly fed up with him, but the 'pub ptb are corporate sleaze, and dems aren't going to change sides for that. A coherent constitutional conservative message is what will win them over.
I'm more disgusted with the HOR 'pubs than I am with Obama! Obama is being Obama. Remember when the 'pubs campaigned with if they controlled the HOR, they control the purse strings, and won't fund Obama's overeach? Well, in my mind it's the HOR that should maybe be sued etc for caving every single time and financing Obama's destruction of the US.
Not enough conservatives? There were plenty of conservatives to oust Boehner as Speaker. One can only include most of them have DC disease.
grrrr.....end of Saturday rant.
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