Posted on 05/31/2014 4:35:46 PM PDT by nickcarraway
The Untold Story of Milk:
http://www.amazon.com/Untold-Story-Milk-Revised-Updated/dp/0979209528/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401590000&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Untold+Story+of+Milk
Might be worth reading to find out!
I’ve bought raw milk from neighbors on dairy farms in the past, and that milk was safe enough. They vaccinated the cows for bangs, and sanitation was very well done on those farms (nipples sanitized, immediate refrigeration, etc.). The amount of risk depends on the hygeine practices on the farm and in your own home.
I never drank any camel’s milk, though.
Interesting video with Andrew Zimmern sampling camel milk. http://www.travelchannel.com/video/visit-oasis-camel-dairy
I never drank any camel’s milk, though.
It’s surprisingly pleasant and, like goats milk, good for people with lactose intolerance. Not terribly good in coffee though.
We only had raw milk when I were a kid - one of my chores was to go to the neighbor’s farm and pick up a gallon for our family and a quart for the elderly woman who lived half a mile away. Biggest treat you could get was a glass full straight from the teat and still warm and frothing. Totally wonderful in the winter!
You may know it as Bud Lite.
I hate to say it, but the description of that book looks like it is fairly typical anti-science. Books like that usually refer to a lot of scientific studies, but do not tell what the studies actually showed. Instead, they cherry-pick isolated sentences and present them out of context, often to imply that the study showed the opposite of what it really showed. Or they will pick a single study that, for whatever reason, found something that cannot be corroborated or repeated in other studies, but that aberrant study supports whatever the author is trying to claim.
I read the primary scientific literature, and have no desire to read a book that misuses and misrepresents what the actual science says.
if the govt is so concerned about people getting sick then why do they promote filthy sex practices?
The fact that pasturization has been such a success at eliminating milk as a source of illness like TB , the original impetus for the process lets people forget how beneficial it was.
2 people... TWO PEOPLE...
And it’s not the milk making them sick. It’s the feces stuck to the teets.
Let people decide if they want to take the risk and leave the rest of us alone.
The same is true with vaccines. These health interventions are so successful that people have no idea how deadly the diseases were prior to the implementation of these health measures. Then far too many people assume the health measures are completely unnecessary because those diseases never happen.
Raw milk carries the same risk as all raw food.
I don’t see the government banning lettuce or cantaloupe. Which has killed thousands over the years.
My family drinks raw milk from from our goats daily and none of us has ever gotten sick.
Could it happen? Sure it could. There is a risk with all raw foods.
Do you worry about the risks when you pick a tomato or some lettuce from your garden or buy it from the grocery store?
I do think raw milk has more health benefits. However, I drink it mostly because it tastes so much better.
I just don’t see the need to boil the crap out of my milk anymore than I feel the need to boil a tomato I pick out of my garden.
I doubt there’s much risk in drinking raw milk from your own goats. Probably more when you’re talking about a commercial operation. More goats, and more opportunity for the milk to go bad. Still, I’m not advocating the government ban it. There’s too much government interference in people’s lives already.
Probably more when you’re talking about a commercial operation. More goats, and more opportunity for the milk to go bad.
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I would agree with that. However, I think that is the case with all commercial operations involving food.
A lot of commercial dairies could care less about the filth and disgusting environment that they operate within, and they get away with it because they pasteurize their milk.
If most people ever visited a commercial dairy, they would never want to drink milk again.
However, I will admit that there is some scientific evidence that farm families that drink their own raw milk do develop immunity to the germs their animals carry. This is not necessarily true for people who don’t live on a farm.
Although, there have been very few serious illnesses from raw milk over the last 10 years, almost all of them have been in adults and children who tried raw milk for the first time.
I do sterilize all my milking equipment and use sterilizing utter wash before milking., just to watch my kids go out and lay down and kiss on the goats.
If they ever got sick from E. coli, the milk would be the last thing I would consider as the source.
http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/2014/01/milk-kefir-and-gut-flora.html
Dr. Art Ayers - Milk, Kefir and Gut Flora
Dr. Ayer’s profile of his scientific background.
“I grew up in San Diego and did my PhD in Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology (U. Colo. Boulder). I subsequently held postdoctoral research positions at the Swedish Forest Products Research Laboratories, Stockholm, U. Missouri -Colombia and Kansas State U. I was an assistant professor in the Cell and Developmental Biology Department at Harvard University, and an associate professor and Director of the Genetic Engineering Program at Cedar Crest College in Allentown, PA. I joined the faculty at the College of Idaho in 1991 and in 1997-98 I spent a six-month sabbatical at the National University of Singapore. Most recently I have focused on the role of heparin in inflammation and disease.”
All that really shows is that even PhD trained scientists can enter the realm of “alternative science.” Sometimes, MDs start pushing “alternative medicine.” I’ve seen cases where scientists are complete kooks except within their area of specific subject matter expertise.
I notice that there is not a single medical literature reference in that whole blog. If he is presenting documented scientific observations, where are the references?
Like I said the first time, Mom, you know nothing about raw milk. Pasteurization turns what comes from the cow into something unfit for man or beast. Take the cow’s milk, pasteurize it, and then give it to her calf. the calf will die. Drink on Mom. But quit preaching nonsense.
The whole thing about bans on raw milk is to protect the big dairy farms and the big dairy industry from small farms that do it right in sanitary conditions. Big dairy farms are less than sanitary. And pasteurized or not, that milk is unfit for consumption.
The small diary farmers do it organically, non-GMO, and grazed on certified organic pastures. They do it without soy. Soy, unless it has been fermented, is poison...you probably don’t know that, Mom.
And as I said, Mom, you know nothing about raw milk, and probably nothing about the dairy industry in general.
Credentials?
But if you make that decision based on magical thinking and claims pulled out of thin air, then you need to inform yourself.
My credentials are that I am a PhD educated medical researcher. My current focus is public health. Daily, I read voluminous quantities of the primary scientific literature--where actual scientific studies are published, with methods described and results presented.
What are your credentials? More importantly, what are the credentials of those who claim that raw milk is safe and attribute all kinds of magical properties to it?
I've no idea where you got the notion that calves fed pasteurized milk will die--as this cattle industry report shows, calves do quite well with pasteurized milk. Also, keep in mind that bacteria (like E. coli O157H7) that are not harmful to cows can be deadly to humans.
FYI, there is no such thing as a "sanitary" farm. Growing up on a ranch in rural CA, I never saw one--and I don't see any in this rural area where I live now. Cows are animals; animals are not clean. That's just their nature.
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