Posted on 04/07/2014 1:36:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Edited on 04/07/2014 1:41:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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Actually, the exact opposite is true. The Torah was written long before the events it describes ever took place--in fact, before the Creation itself.
Not that the Xian/liberal axis will accept that statement.
The Torah predates the Creation.
While the Hollywood blockbuster has been a hit, it has also faced opposition from Christians and Muslims angry with its supposed misrepresentation of their scriptures.
Christians and Muslims - but no mention of the Jewish... Hmmm...
That's because no one knows that the Bible is actually Jewish and that they believed it before anyone else did. Shhh. No one is supposed to know. Everyone is supposed to believe they're all atheists, union organizers, and dirty nightclub comics.
You don't know bo diddley squat about Jewish Tradition, do you? Bet you've spent all your life ticking off redneck Baptists just for the fun of it and totally ignorant of where the Torah comes from.
Just know this: you're all wrong. All of you.
Actually, the exact opposite is true. The Torah was written long before the events it describes ever took place—in fact, before the Creation itself.
Actually, the exact opposite is true. The Torah was written long before the events it describes ever took place—in fact, before the Creation itself.
Well, now you’re just getting into all that “rift in the time space continuum” stuff. :-)
Perhaps, but this is nevertheless the traditional understanding. The Torah came first and the creation is somehow derived from it. There is even one view that G-d brought the universe into being by speaking the opening words of Genesis.
Perhaps, but this is nevertheless the traditional understanding. The Torah came first and the creation is somehow derived from it. There is even one view that G-d brought the universe into being by speaking the opening words of Genesis.
My point was that the Mediterranean flood, about 5 million years ago, was a totally different event from the Black Sea flood, about 7500 years ago. Why the Mediterranean flood was even mentioned is a good question, as it has no bearing on the Noah story.
Neither do the Missoula Floods, in North America, between 15,000 and 13,000 years ago. Nothing to do with Noah at all.
Oh, well, it was a reply to a bunch of people who had posted, and someone had indeed brought it up.
EXACTLY
Keep on preaching. :)
Thank you, Phinneous. It's good to know I'm not totally alone. When Orthodox Jews start mentioning the "sources" of the Torah and a "geographically limited flood," I sure do feel that way.
I'm not Jewish, but I was born on Shabbat Pinechas--if that means anything.
I don’t disagree with anything you said.
You would do well not to confuse casual internet parlance with deep (and more precise) theological discussion.
The “source” for the non-Torah versions would, of course, be eye-witness accounts passed down trhough generations of the same event dictated to Moshe by HaShem. The two routes are not inconsistent.
“You seemed to be saying that this behavior had been specifically mandated by CHaZa”L. “
No, just stating what is.
“Keep your head down” “don’t make waves” is standard operating instructions for Jewish people in the non-Jewish theological arena.
I am not saying it is correct. It just is a fact.
A class on holiness..... give a listen, the backdrop is an argument in the Talmud between a Samaritan (Kusi) and a rabbi...about the geography of the flood. Worth the 50 minutes:
http://theyeshiva.net/Video/View/98/Can-Holy-People-and-Places-Become-Corrupt
I don't know whether the flood was limited to one area or was world-wide.
However, the Bible is clear on how the world's cultures all came to have a story of the flood and that they spread out across the land only after God confounded their language at Babel.
Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
I apologize if I misunderstood you, but it seems to me you were saying both that the Torah and the other stories had a common source, and that the Mabbul was a local event.
Anytime one is discussing HaShem or the Torah, it is best to be as precise as possible. Casual Internet parlance can lead to all sorts of assumptions by readers.
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
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