Can You Escape the Force of Gravity? [What is gravity?]

universetoday ^ | April 7, 2014 | Fraser Cain on

[BenLurkin]

There’s no end to it. Gravity appears to be madly greedy and long armed. Members of the Virgo Super cluster are connected to each other, and they’re dozens of millions of light-years apart. Objects in the Pisces-Cetus Super cluster complex are even connected to each other by our invisible and obnoxiously possessive friend. And they are hundreds of millions of light years apart…

In fact, you’re so popular that you are gravitationally pulled towards even most distant object in the observable Universe. And they, in turn, are linked to you. As a result, without the outward expansion and acceleration of the Universe, everything would fall inward to a common center of gravity. Newton thought that gravity was instantaneous and if the Sun disappeared, the Earth would immediately fly away. Einstein realized that gravity is distortions of spacetime caused by mass. And as it turns out, gravity moves at the speed of light.

[MHGinTN]

Well then ,here ya go. This should get you started, unless you're just really not interested:

http://www.slideshare.net/zerofieldenergy/bernard-haisch-rueda-puthoff-physics-of-the-zeropoint-field-implications-for-inertia-gravitation-and-mass-1997

[MHGinTN]

And here's another place to catch up:

http://www.calphysics.org/articles/gravity_arxiv.pdf

[Boogieman]

“same name. Different concept.”

Either way, it fails experimental verification. In order for the ether to do what you need it to do for the theory to work, it has to have certain qualities, and those qualities have been determined experimentally to not be present.

You can propose a million different kinds of ethers, but the ones you need have been proven not to exist.

[Boogieman]

“unless you’re just really not interested”

Has there been experimental verification? If not, then no, I am not really interested.

[mreerm]

opening myself to ridicule here.

When young, studying physics on my own, I thought through concepts I was studying regarding gravity, the Michelson-Morley experiment, etc. I noticed that the MM experiment to detect luminiferous ether was conducted in only one plane...horizontal. With a bit more thought, I realized that if LE were to be detected, it would have to be detected horizontally. With still more thought, I tentatively concluded that gravity is LE ‘falling’ to earth (to any mass, actually, but that which is ‘falling’ to earth is ‘pushing’ smaller things like me towards the earth). Reading on other experiments like those demonstrating the Mossbauer effect gave me support for my thoughts.

(I even built my own MM interferometer to play around w/ my ideas)

I still wish I could discuss this with someone willing & knowledgeable.

[Lazamataz]

Robert Forward (SF writer, scientist, all around smart guy) was searching for Gravity Waves at UCLA in the late 50's. There may have been earlier experiments. But so far we have zero evidence that they exist. Very odd. Very strange.

We found some.

[cuban leaf]

Sorry, you’re hung up on my use of a word. Ignore it.

[MHGinTN]

Bernard Haisch, et al, have postulated that the zero point field (of what Feynman called ‘partons’ in his QED) gives rise to inertial mass by an electromagnetic van der Waals force at the quark level of mass. Think of it as a pool filled with marbles and anything in the mass of marbles is being pushed from all directions by the marbles, so if you try to move you are pushing against a resistance from the marbles and that resistance will be proportional to the effort you put into trying to move. The equation F = ma (force equals mass times acceleration) can be rewritten to show the mass as sourced in ‘parton push’, with partons sized at the Planck scale for wave form.

[MHGinTN]

I'm wondering how you can post this with a straight face! ... "and those qualities have been determined experimentally to not be present."

First, you won't even read a new way of approaching the issues, a way that has been around in proposition since Maxwell's quaternian equations. And you certainly cannot be up to date on propositions of an 'aether' if you aren't even familiar with the theory of ZPE (even Feynman affirmed it). So how is it that you can make or choose to make such sweeping assertions, from such a limited information position?

BTW, any patents applied for utilizing anything approaching a tap into the zpe has been classified by the Government 'in the interest of national security'. Which of course protects the oil and gas monopoly that runs our planet.

I would direct you to the source of that assertion regarding patents, but since you're not interested I won't. You have a Steven Jones scent to you.

[MHGinTN]

kerping

[Principle Over Politics]

” The Earth and moon actually orbit each other, with the center of mass being what orbits the Sun. “

A beautiful, wonderful dance!

[Boogieman]

“I’m wondering how you can post this with a straight face! ... “and those qualities have been determined experimentally to not be present.””

Because it’s true. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. If there is an ether that transmits a push force, it needs to have qualities allowing it to do so, and we have experimentally verified that an ether with those qualities doesn’t exist. You can propose another ether, but without those qualities, it can’t account for gravity.

“First, you won’t even read a new way of approaching the issues, a way that has been around in proposition since Maxwell’s quaternian equations.”

I read your summary and explained to you that something being theoretically possible according to the mathematics is not the same as being physically possible. You previously talked about there being a “proof” of these ideas you are advocating, but that is a mathematical concept, not a physical one. In physics, a mathematical proof is just the first step. If experimental verification is not forthcoming, then that proof is worthless.

“I would direct you to the source of that assertion regarding patents, but since you’re not interested I won’t.”

Yes, please spare me. I’m still waiting for you to provide any experimental verification of the ideas you are advocating. Until you can come up with that, don’t bother sending me anything else.

[KC Burke]

Here is a good battle with gravity:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150113735642761

[MHGinTN]

My my, from your self-appointed lofty perch you are waiting. Bwahaha I see no point to waste any more time with you. Bye bye

[Boogieman]

I’ll take that as confirmation that you have no experimental results to offer. Buh bye.

[Conservative4Ever]

Get down with gravity.

[onedoug]

M-Theory speaks to this form of scenario very well...if it holds above currently untestable energies. Though I believe it does mainly because the math is so profound an it's structure is so beautiful in terms of symmetry.

Hopefully, I'll eventually be in Heaven and learn some further details from God. Though I don't want to seem impatient.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Morons who think up the gravity as heavy ball on a rubber sheet forgot about the other side of deformation, the repulsive part..

And the third dimension. It is only a two dimensional, half-arsed representation of how a mass effects another mass.

[samtheman]

Wow. What a takeoff.

[pax_et_bonum]

I just love biscuits and gravity.

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Hey- you stole my line!

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