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Organic food: Pricey, not particularly healthy, won't save you from cancer
The Register ^ | 4/4/2014 | Dr Pan Pantziarka

Posted on 04/05/2014 3:41:07 AM PDT by markomalley

Comment One of the primary drivers of the growth in organic food sales over the last couple of decades is the perception that organic food is healthier than conventionally farmed food.

It stands to reason, doesn’t it? After all conventional crops depend on chemicals and organic food doesn't.

And we all know that chemicals, in this case mainly pesticides, are bad for you. Ergo organic food should be healthier, and the strong growth in organic food sales (up 2.8 per cent last year, after a few years of downturn during the recession) attests to how popular opinion has accepted this assertion.

This is why the results of a new UK study that looked at cancer risk and the consumption of organic food is so damned inconvenient. Where organic food advocates have pushed organics as a way of reducing cancer risk, the study shows that it makes little difference one way or another. Hence uncomfortable headlines from the likes of the Daily Mail: Eating organic foods does NOTHING to reduce the cancer risk among women, says new study.

6,000 eaters probed

The study in question appears in the latest edition of the British Journal of Cancer and is by Oxford University cancer epidemiology boffin Dr Kathryn Bradbury and co-workers. Part of the Million Women Study funded by Cancer Research UK and the Medical Research Council, this particular bit of research tracked 623,080 middle-aged British women for almost 10 years and looked at their pattern of organic food consumption and the incidence of 16 different cancer types, as well as overall cancer incidence.

Based on their reported eating habits the women were put into three groups: never, sometimes, or usually/always eating organic food. The headline result showed that eating organic food was not associated with overall cancer incidence one way or another (in fact there was a tiny increased overall risk of about 3 per cent, but it’s the sort of noisy result one can ignore). Look at the specific cancer types and the results are mixed, with some showing increased or decreased risks, but again nothing to be alarmed (or pleased) about.

Of course this has upset some, especially the British Soil Association, the guardian of all things organic in the UK (including being the premier organic certification body in the country).

According to Peter Melchett (aka Lord Melchett or the 4th Baron Melchett, ex-Greenpeace head honcho and now Policy Director at the Soil Association) the study is flawed because certain confounding variables weren’t addressed and because, according to him, the authors don’t understand what pesticides are found in food or how they get into food.

However, he was quick to pick out one of the results for particular attention – the numbers show that there is an apparent 21 per cent decrease in non-Hodgkins lymphoma risk among the women who reported "usually or always" eating organic food.

However, there were other numbers that were not picked out by the Soil Association, the most alarming of which was the apparent 9 per cent increase in the risk of breast cancer. This was a result that the study authors subjected to a series of additional tests and the results still stood. More alarming still was the 37 per cent increase in the risk of developing a soft tissue sarcoma, a form of cancer which is rare and hard to treat. Why no mention of those figures at the Soil Association?

It's all relative

Of course the fact is that all of these figures are dealing with relative risk, which is standard practice in epidemiological studies. To get some perspective, the chances of getting non-Hodgkins lymphoma is about 2.1 per cent, so if the results of this study hold true, then sticking to an always organic diet will reduce that to 1.66 per cent.

The figures for breast cancer are around 12.3 per cent life-time risk, and this will be increased to 13.4 per cent if you go the all organic route. And if you really want to trade punches with the proponents of organic, you can point out that a high-organic diet will lead to more cancers as the incidence of breast cancer is much higher than the incidence of non-Hodgkins.

However, it’s unlikely that this finding is going to do much to dissuade the faithful that the benefits of organics have been over-sold. After all, this is not the first negative study when it comes to organics and health. A systematic review published in the Annals of Internal Medicine in 2012 found that: "The published literature lacks strong evidence that organic foods are significantly more nutritious than conventional foods".

There were differences reported to do with pesticide residues but nothing to cause alarm. In terms of nutrient content, there was one statistically significant nutrient where organics outdid conventional produce: phosphorous. Now, if you’re starving, then eating organic is the better choice, but if you’re not, then increased phosphorous is pretty much irrelevant as it’s abundant in the diet no matter where it comes from.

Of course it’s the pesticide residues that ultimately drive the idea that organics are better for us. This ignores the fact that even organic food uses pesticides, for example rotenone and pyrethrin, some of which are considered carcinogenic or otherwise hazardous to health.

And, just to throw in some numbers, a study by the United States Department of Agriculture in 2012 found that 4 per cent of organic food samples had pesticide residues above the 5 per cent EPA limit, which technically meant they would have failed the organic certification they carried.

But leaving that aside, the chemophobia of much of the population is stoked by the use of in vitro studies which show that certain pesticides are carcinogenic. However, there is a huge difference between the inside of a petri dish and the inside of a human.

Pesticides are amongst the most heavily regulated chemical agents in the world, and if there was a link to cancer incidence then we would expect to see it in studies such as this one, and in studies that looked at farm workers and others who have greater exposure to pesticides.

One recently published paper looked at the incidence of cancer in agricultural workers in France during the period 2005 – 2009 (the AGRICAN study). It reported that overall agricultural workers were healthier than the general population, with reduced cancer incidence compared to the general population in the same areas. So where are the bodies (so to speak)?

There are, of course, problems with this new study in the UK. For one there was no stratification by type of organic diet – so, for example, we don’t know whether the lymphoma result was skewed by an excess of vegans or carnivores.

And the categories of "never", "sometimes" and "usually/always" are by necessity coarse and difficult to quantify – for example how can you tell how much non-organic food the "usually" group eats?

But for all that, this is study with a large sample size and if there was a positive signal that eating organic protects against cancer you’d expect to see it.

The upshot? It’s probably true to say that spending the pennies (or pounds) you save by eating non-organic on eating MORE fruit and veg is a healthier bet than forking out the extra for "organics". ®


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To: yldstrk

http://squarefootgardening.org/square-foot-gardening-method

Try this easy method. My 28 year old computer programmer son who lives in the city of Philadelphia is using this method in his back patio. The soil mix is a bit of an investment for the boxes, but once you’ve done it for the first year, you just need to augment the mixture every year. After six years growing in a large ground plot, we slowly moved all our gardening into these boxes and I wouldn’t do it any other way now. It takes out so much of the labor of vegetable plots. Our first 4x4 wood boxes deteriorated last year, so my husband made replacements out of cinder blocks. He built a tall archway frame out of plastic pipes that connects two of the boxes which we use to grow pole beans and other vining plants.

And yes! All you need to do is lay newspaper or landscaping paper in a 4x4 sunny area of your lawn; build the frame; fill the box and plant.


121 posted on 04/05/2014 11:06:26 AM PDT by Madam Theophilus
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To: nikos1121
tell me why it is that organic milk lasts ten times longer before going bad in the frig compared to regular non-organic milk?

Ten times longer? Sure. Organic milk lasts longer because producers use a different process to preserve it. That's it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's organic. Google UHT pasteurization for an explanation. Organic is good for people who like paying more for their food. Organic does a great job of separating foolish people from their money. That's about it.

122 posted on 04/05/2014 12:40:29 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: crazycatlady

It’s tough to avoid plastic from coming into contact with hot food. Even with what is now an innate sense of caution, within the hour, I was on an errand and stopped for a quick cup of coffee at a convenience store — in a disposable styrofoam cup, of course.


123 posted on 04/05/2014 12:41:31 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: 9YearLurker
Except your Roundup goes into my water supply.

There's a lot more benzene in your water than glyphosate. Which of the two do you think is more toxic? Of course, you shouldn't be worried about either.

124 posted on 04/05/2014 12:43:39 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

The chicken situation in this country is disgusting. Slimy awful parts in plastic. I generally stick to Kosher.


125 posted on 04/05/2014 1:03:47 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Little Bill

I have trouble growing herbs in pots inside because I don’t get enough sun. But I’m lucky that I have a small herb garden. Summer is coming and herb prices should go down.


126 posted on 04/05/2014 1:08:00 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Rockingham
Plastic and plastic lined food containers are also a problem, especially if they are heated or used in cooking.

This is nothing more than chemicalphobia and this science of junk won't die the death it so deserves because the media refuses to report the truth. The alleged health effects associated with phthalates and BPA are not back up by sound science. These same people also claim that BPA is just like estrogen when the structures of these two compounds look nothing alike.

I'd hazard a guess that your fear of the other so called "POP's" is also based on an irrational fear of chemicals. This fear is constantly fomented by the toxic terrorists.

A Toxic Setback for the Anti-Plastic Campaigners

127 posted on 04/05/2014 1:10:32 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Kids need fats in their diet for brain development, rather the 2% water that my grandson gets.

Millennia ago kids were weaned at 3, had two advantages. Kids got necessary Fats and women did not get knocked up during the breast feeding stage.

It was estimated that Egyptian women had no more than 6 periods in their lives.

You are a Mainiac would you eat chowder made with low fat milk.

128 posted on 04/05/2014 1:43:54 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: miss marmelstein

The chicken situation in this country is disgusting. Slimy awful parts in plastic. I generally stick to Kosher.


Regular chickens are MUCH healther than organic............


129 posted on 04/05/2014 1:50:29 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Little Bill

Thanks, FRiend.


130 posted on 04/05/2014 1:56:58 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I disagree. Purdue with its awful jaundiced complexion, yeeech! Even Empire chickens are not as good as they used to be.


131 posted on 04/05/2014 2:02:24 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Little Bill

The Executive Inn in Seattle used to have the best clam chowder. Thick, creamy, not stingy with the clams. I k ow this is off topic, but I’m picky about clam chowder. I don’t even like Trader Joes. Ivar’s and Progresso are OK.


132 posted on 04/05/2014 2:02:39 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: yldstrk

down deep, poop and bugs are chemicals.

Nobody eats bugs of course, but they eat your food. the dark spots on organic fod are bug spit


133 posted on 04/05/2014 2:06:53 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: crazycatlady

Yes, you are right, rosemary sometimes take forever to germinate.

Oh, I am a card-carrying member of the weekly garden thread, and I have learned so much from everyone there. Thanks.


134 posted on 04/05/2014 2:07:32 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: nikos1121

Maybe we are being duped, but I will take my chances.

One thing I am leaning toward, though, is dumping grocery store meats. It costs a little more, but I am going to start using grass-fed as opposed to grain-fed beef, as I read that the fatty acids are different. I can’t remember the chemistry exactly, but it sounds similar to the difference between farmed fish and fresh-caught.

What I read about the farmed fish is that, basically, they are being fed the equivalent of junk food instead of eating what they would naturally consume.


135 posted on 04/05/2014 2:16:14 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red
Do the autolyse for both the sponge and finished dough, great improvement in flavor.
136 posted on 04/05/2014 2:17:12 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: Little Bill

OK, thanks.


137 posted on 04/05/2014 2:19:55 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: Bigg Red

sometimes take forever = sometimes takes forever


138 posted on 04/05/2014 2:22:57 PM PDT by Bigg Red (1 Pt 1: As he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in every aspect of your conduct.)
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To: crazycatlady
Try this:

Two or three pounds of Steamers, more if you like.

Add to large pot with a few chopped onions, steam until open.

Shuck, reserve stock.

Fry 1/2 pound of salt pork in butter until crispy.

Add one quart of stock and bring to a boil, add clams.

Lower heat add one quart of light cream and one quart of heavy cream and 1/4 pound of butter.

Add mashed potatoes to thicken as desired, be careful add a little at a time.

Taste add salt as needed.

This is a real Down East recipe serve with oyster crackers and black pepper.

139 posted on 04/05/2014 2:45:53 PM PDT by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: Little Bill

I never singled out dairy fat (cream) as a bad component of milk, in fact fat is good and necessary to your metabolism. Being fat is the health problem.

Eating fat does not make you fat, eating sugar and starch does.

For a long time, the FDA or Dept of Agriculture had this recommended dietary pyramid, it had a low fat requirement and lots of carbs at the foundation. The government lied to us, and now Americans look like a bunch of hogs.

I eat dairy products regularly, but milk is not a staple in my diet.

I would probably make chowdah with a splash of milk, some heavy cream and maybe some sour cream. Definitely a stick of butter.


140 posted on 04/05/2014 5:56:13 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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