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Mom arrested while trying to console special needs son in school
Yahoo! ^ | March 21, 2014 | Will Lerner

Posted on 03/23/2014 4:15:46 AM PDT by Altariel

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To: 2nd amendment mama

Sorry to burst your bubble - I don’t work for the schools and never have. I’m not a member of their union and I don’t work for a union.

If you read my comments, you would already have seen that I have a kid in school and I know how the process works and I sincerely appreciate the process. I filled out the information for who is allowed to have access to my child and who is able to pick him up - just like every other parent did in school.

I’ve already had to change the information several times now and one time I was concerned about what might happened in just the next 12 hours following the change - and I expected them to check every single person so that no one would “accidentally” pick up the wrong kid.

You’ll find that this is a parent issue in that they don’t want anyone to have “access” to their child other than who they have specified - and - they don’t want their child to be “handed off” to anyone other than who they have specified.

And this is exactly how you do that.


121 posted on 03/23/2014 10:21:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: trussell

You’ll note that I mostly reply to those who have written to me. There are a few other posts to others who have tied in with my post, but mostly to those who wrote - just like you did just now.

If you know the issue then you already know that the office has to check everyone, all the time, because “access” and “pickup” information can change at a moment’s notice.

A person can be authorized in the morning and not authorized that very same afternoon. You can’t know unless the person does go into the office and checks. There’s simply no other way around it.


122 posted on 03/23/2014 10:26:36 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Altariel

All your children are belong to us.


123 posted on 03/23/2014 10:28:34 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Star Traveler
I filled out the information for who is allowed to have access to my child...... You’ll find that this is a parent issue in that they don’t want anyone to have “access” to their child other than who they have specified

No....you're the one who still doesn't get it! By opening the door before seeing who they're letting in - the school is giving access to your child, as well as the other children, to anyone that they buzz in! A criminal isn't going to stop and sign the "magic paper". They're going to just go and get the kid they want - paper be damned.

124 posted on 03/23/2014 11:14:42 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

That’s why the police were called. The person didn’t come by the office and the police arrived. It worked exactly as it was supposed to.


125 posted on 03/23/2014 11:29:08 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

And they get arrested, just like happened in this case.


126 posted on 03/23/2014 11:59:04 AM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: Star Traveler
You just don't get it. The "magic paper" isn't going to stop anyone. In the time it takes for the police arrive the damage can already be done. Why have a locked door if you're going to just let everyone in? Senseless!

At Sandy Hook it only took 10 minutes to kill all those children & adults - before the police arrived!

This isn't a game of rock, paper, scissors, guns! This is real life and paper is going to lose every single time.

Now, it also didn't work in this case. The mother was able to get to her child without signing the paper. She didn't, however, take her child and leave. The police arrived and rather than being sensible, they arrested her for "failure to sign the magic paper". Good grief. It was her child, she was summoned by the school and then they claimed that she was trespassing. Idiocy.

127 posted on 03/23/2014 12:30:37 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

The police were called, they arrived. That was supposed to be the outcome, in that event of someone blowing past the office. And it was the outcome.

It works this way ... (1) someone either stops by the office to be identified (and that means checking the records, too) or (2) if they blow past the office, the police are called.

Take your pick, number 1 or number 2. In this case it was number 2.

This isn’t rocket science or brain surgery ... LOL ...

AND, in case you missed the post up above, I made note that this was for the two issues that parents are concerned about, for which they sign paperwork at the beginning of the school year letting the school know what they want. They want only certain people to have access to their child and they want the school to “hand over” their child to only the people,they put down on paper (the paper that is in the office).

I made note, up above, that this isn’t for the wild and crazed gunman or criminal - that will have to be for the armed people to handle - as the office personnel doesn’t have a shotgun under the counter or a fun on their belt.

If you want to work with the school in regards to the crazed and wild gunman, you’re going to have to address that one in a different manner and in regards to “armed intervention”.

This case is about IDENTIFYING who is authorized to have access to your child and who the school will “hand over” your child to.


128 posted on 03/23/2014 12:49:46 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ALSO ... I see that you didn’t see my answer up above, so I’ll repeat it here. You said ... “Why have a locked door if you’re going to just let everyone in? Senseless!”

From up above (someone said a “ringing bell” would do as good ... LOL ...) ...


The office isn’t like an armed guard shack, where the guy sits there and watches constantly. The office can have someone running over to the nurses office, getting something from the copy room, or even showing a parent part of the way to where they are going.

A jingling bell wouldn’t allow for any control in those situations. Someone would have free and unhindered access and the office personnel would have to hope they heard the little bell ... LOL ...

The way it IS DONE will sometimes mean the person is standing there for a minute or two, until they are available and ready to monitor your entrance. They are ready, at that moment to immediately call the police if necessary and I would imagine they also have an automatic dialer and message for emergencies. A little jingling bell just wouldn’t do it.

The process of not deeming the person a threat would occur in the office when they verify the person and check the records for if the person has access to the kid in question.

The signing in is to provide the record for the transaction, so that if something happens after the fact, they can go back and check to see who has been coming and going. At my school you have to “check out” too. And you date and time the “in” and “out”.


129 posted on 03/23/2014 1:05:53 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Altariel
The scene in Uncle Buck with Miss Anita Hoargarth should be considered a training video for parents on how to deal with public school administrators.

Part 1

Part 2 (Good day to you, Madam)

130 posted on 03/23/2014 3:32:45 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Exactly. Because “everyone is buzzed in”, any criminal who means harm to the children can get in and get to the nearest classroom in *seconds*.

The magical piece of paper won’t do diddly squat.

And the “lockdown” procedure most schools implement (if not all) these days ensures that any kids who stay in their classrooms (or in the closets within their classrooms!) are proverbial fish in a barrel when the psychopath breaks in.

Apparently the principal was still feeling sore from his meeting with Momma on Wednesday and her failure to sign the magic piece of paper was the last straw for him. He saw a moment to retaliate and took it.


131 posted on 03/23/2014 6:27:50 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: 2nd amendment mama
She admitted as much in post #59:

"In my case, the mother is “recognizable” at the school by several of the personnel there, but she cannot gain access without me. Now, even though she’s recognizable - it’s ONLY the office which has those documents to verify that. All the school personnel are not in the position to know that."

132 posted on 03/23/2014 6:29:23 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Husker24

That’s why they call the police if you don’t stop in at the office.


133 posted on 03/24/2014 4:20:09 AM PDT by Wolfie
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