Posted on 08/27/2013 10:44:47 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
Each and every clause of our constitution is a rejection of common law.
The term “natural born citizen” is alien to common law; they had native born subjects. At the time natural born citizen was understood to mean one that was a citizen by birth regardless of where he was born because both parents were citizens.
“If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a citizen of the United States, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.”
If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a natural born citizen of the United States, then you are legally a natural born citizen. This was the case 1790-1795
If the laws in effect at the time of your birth make you a citizen of the United States, then you are legally a citizen. This has been the case since 1795, and is the case currently.
“Levin flunks Constitution 101 by misinterpreting Natural Born....our Founding Fathers put that in there so we would not have foreigners ruling the US....like the foreigners ruling Great Britain at the time...King George III was German”
Bravo! Always a forgotten point in a historical discussion.
FWIW, Levin has forgotten more Constitutional history than you will ever know. If I have a choice between an interpretation by Mark Levin and one by SeminoleCounty, I think I would put a lot more stock in the opinion of Mark Levin.
Levin was also Obama Supporter on the Eligibility issue....and GOP refusing to make Obama Eligibility a main issue actively aided Obama in 2008 and 2012
Levin has always taken the position that Obama was born in Hawaii. So far there has not been any judicial finding that he was born anywhere else and the State of Hawaii has certified his birth, so for all legal intents and purposes, Obama was born a Citizen of the United States in accordance with the laws in effect at the time of his birth.
That doesn't mean he really wasn't born in Kenya and that there was a fraud committed, but for all legal intents and purposes it is recognized that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Now begone TROLL!
So Vlad Putin knocking up a Hawaiian hooker more than 35 years ago works for you?
Ok, then.
Yes...Levin has been quite rude to callers when Obama Eligibility is discussed. Quite telling for someone who brags about being a Constitutional scholar (the term lawyers use when they do not practice)
I would not trust anyone who claims to defend Cruz on eligibility that would not challenge Obama on his
“Obama was born a Citizen of the United States in accordance with the laws in effect at the time of his birth.”
Stipulated. Article II mandates a person be a “natural born citizen”.
“We cannot adopt their definitions because we have none of their kind of population. We have no “subjects,” and they have no citizens.”
Someone should have reminded President Washington,
“Gentlemen:
While I now receive with much satisfaction your congratulations on my being called, by an unanimous vote, to the first station in my country ...
“...And may the members of your society in America, animated alone by the pure spirit of Christianity, and still conducting themselves as the faithful subjects of our free government, enjoy every temporal and spiritual felicity.”
“G. Washington”
Apparently Massachusetts didn’t get the message that they were not to use the term “natural born subject” anymore,
In 1786, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING JONATHAN CURSON AND WILLIAM OLIVER” in which it was declared that Jonathan Curson and William Oliver “shall be deemed adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born citizens.
In 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING WILLIAM MARTIN AND OTHERS.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others, “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, priviledges and immunities of natural born subjects.”
Troll? Hardly. I stated the obvious.
Here is the law by which Cruz is a citizen Pub. L. 82-414 § 301(a)(7)
Here is a link. Go to page 236.
What works is the law. If Congress defines a person as a citizen at birth, then he is a Natural Born Citizen. If they are not born a citizen then they are a Naturalized Citizen. There are no other forms of Citizenship.
Now are you going to continue your efforts to Destroy Ted Cruz? Is that what works for you!
TROLL!
Yes, that Levin...he's a total greenhorn when it comes to the Constitution. /s
That describes Cruz. By RIGHT he is a citizen of the USA at birth. It is automatic. You've stated your conclusion and I've stated min.
However, this argument is extremely premature. Cruz is not running for President.
He IS, however, trying to run an anti-ObamaCare campaign. His enemies have discovered that conservatives opposing obamacare love to nitpick arcane little bits of law more than they love to fight against obamacare.
They love to fight to the circular death squad over things that are 3.5 years in the future
If there is something in the Constitution that prevents Cruz from leading a fight against ObamaCare, then please point it out. If not, let's postpone this particular argument until sometime in the summer of 2015.
Right now we'd do better fighting against ObamaCare.
Your argument is very much attuned to the two sons of deposed Muslim Egyptian President Morsi who were born in the USA. According to how some would apply Constitutional requirements these sons are eligible based only on place of birth. To a more applicable take on the Constitution and It’s background the guys lack the qualification of parentage. As to parentage it appears that many persons deem the mother’s status trumping the the father’s status. I don’t believe that goes one way or the other and I believe that is why ‘born of parentS’ was the mindset of the Founders. Of course, I do not take a lawyer’s word as necessarily better/truer than the actual words of the Constitution. Even the august members of the SC twist the words to their favor.
In 1786, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING JONATHAN CURSON AND WILLIAM OLIVER” in which it was declared that Jonathan Curson and William Oliver “shall be deemed adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, privileges and immunities of natural born citizens.
In 1787, the Massachusetts legislature passed “AN ACT FOR NATURALIZING WILLIAM MARTIN AND OTHERS.” in which it was declared that William Martin and Others, “shall be deemed, adjudged and taken to be free Citizens of this Commonwealth, and entitled to all the liberties, priviledges and immunities of natural born subjects.”
Prior to the passage of the US Constitution and deeming them so by law and not by “natural” means.
Thank you for making our point for us.
Depends on the job. If pop works for the government of France, the child is not a US citizen as he's considered subject to the jurisdiction of France. Not just employees with immunity, but any government employee. Military here on training, counsilate employee, trade representative etc. Legal opinions have defined jurisdiction as absolute, complete jurisdiction, political rights and military obligations would apply to them. Based on that 19th century definition, closer to the 14th Amendment than todays courts, I'd suggest that it's a myth the 14th confers "birthright" citizenship. Heck, another law was needed to confer citizenship to non-naturalized Indians, irrespective of their place of birth, on or off the reservation.
I'm not going to bother with the Cruz issue
What works is the law. If Congress defines a person as a citizen at birth, then he is a Natural Born Citizen. If they are not born a citizen then they are a Naturalized Citizen. There are no other forms of Citizenship.
Nope. You should read up.
Troll? Not hardly.
Your position is completely without legal merit and your intention apparently is to divide this forum and destroy Ted Cruz.
BEGONE TROLL!
In my book you are.
Now begone.
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