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Baby Neanderthal Breast-Fed for 7 Months
LiveScience ^ | Wednesday, May 22, 2013 | Stephanie Pappas

Posted on 05/25/2013 7:02:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A baby Neanderthal who lived in what is now Belgium about 100,000 years ago started eating solid food at 7 months old, revealing a new aspect of the evolution of breast-feeding.

The precision of this estimate is courtesy a new technique that uses elements in teeth to determine when breast-feeding started and stopped. Though researchers can't be sure the young Neanderthal's pattern was typical of its kind, such a breast-feeding pattern is not unlike that seen in many modern humans...

Until now, however, no one had an effective way of looking at bones and reconstructing breast-feeding history. Past attempts had relied on moms' memories of when they started supplementing breast milk with solid food and when they weaned their babies...

He and his colleagues had an advantage: A large study of pregnant women in Monterey County, Calif., that started when the women were only 20 weeks along in their pregnancies and followed them for years. At seven years and onward, the mothers were asked to donate a baby tooth their child had lost. Arora and his colleagues analyzed the teeth for biomarkers that matched changes in the child's breast-feeding status.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
A molar tooth model showing color-coded barium patterns. CREDIT: Ian Harrowell, Christine Austin and Manish Arora

A molar tooth model showing color-coded barium patterns. CREDIT: Ian Harrowell, Christine Austin and Manish Arora

1 posted on 05/25/2013 7:02:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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http://news.discovery.com/human/evolution/neanderthal-greek-paradise-130522.htm


2 posted on 05/25/2013 7:02:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 05/25/2013 7:02:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cave women did what comes naturally, thus, the survival of our species.

Women now cave to the baby formula market and refuse to nurse, because they can’t take the pain and don’t want to invest the time or the work it takes to breastfeed.

We see increasing amounts of allergies due to cow’s milk, bunches more doctor visits due to problems with formula feeding in infants and it goes on and on. We as taxpayers are on the hook to provide expensive formula to the poor who find a multitude of reasons and ways not to nurse.

It’s stupid. We are going backwards as a species with so many of our practices.

Breastfeeding Nazi rant over.


4 posted on 05/25/2013 7:09:08 AM PDT by LibsRJerks (s)
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To: SunkenCiv

You have put out some good reading this morning. Thanks


5 posted on 05/25/2013 7:13:29 AM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: SunkenCiv

As I recall I think I had a steak with a bottle of suds.


6 posted on 05/25/2013 7:13:41 AM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ditto on the good reading ping.


7 posted on 05/25/2013 7:21:26 AM PDT by Track9 (hey Kalid.. kalid.. bang you're dead)
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To: SunkenCiv
A baby Neanderthal who lived in what is now Belgium about 100,000 years ago started eating solid food at 7 months old,

Probably. Babies would have been partly weaned as soon as possible although they likely would have still nursed until they were about two.

That would reduce the stress on the mother's body as far as calories while allowing baby to get the needed nutrients from mamma's milk.

8 posted on 05/25/2013 7:21:40 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Join AAAA : Americans Against Acronym Abuse)
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To: LibsRJerks
I would like to add that the pressure on women not to breastfeed can be tremendous. I come from Spain. I saw my mom, aunts... breastfeed their babies, so I had it very clear what I was going to do. What I never expected was to have to argue with the nurses at the hospital where I gave birth, with my American in-laws, and in general with everybody I talked to. I was made to feel that I was doing something wrong, to be kept secret like the actions of a rogue government agency. And, when I started losing my milk early with my second child, nobody had a suggestion for me, beginning with my and the baby's doctor!

When my oldest child was 3 weeks old, hurricane Hugo paid us a visit. I remember the long lines at a Red Cross truck delivering formula, and I wonder how did those families without electricity managed to sterilize bottles, nipples... My breast-fed daughter always had her food ready, sterile and warm at any time of the day or the night!

9 posted on 05/25/2013 7:26:30 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: SunkenCiv

I like breastfeeding.


10 posted on 05/25/2013 7:27:43 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: SunkenCiv

11 posted on 05/25/2013 7:32:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Modern women breast-feed their kids until they start cutting teeth, and then they wean them off because it hurts. Once a human starts growing teeth, the natural instinct is to chew. Time for some solid food. And we needed some egghead researcher to tell us what our ancestors knew half a million years ago, and what instinct and common sense tells us today?


12 posted on 05/25/2013 7:35:03 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for posting. Amazing that one element and location, barium in a baby tooth, was found to be a clear marker of the stage of the baby’s life.


13 posted on 05/25/2013 7:35:39 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: LibsRJerks
We see increasing amounts of allergies due to cow’s milk, ... problems with formula .... We are going backwards as a species with so many of our practices.

Backwards? Back to the days when our ancient ancestors used formula? Are you suggesting that breast-feeding is some kind of "advancement" that we are now abandoning, i.e. those who choose not to breast feed are moving "backward?"

I don't disagree with your points, but to say that those who won't breast feed are moving backward kinda makes me scratch my head.

14 posted on 05/25/2013 7:41:21 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: SunkenCiv

One baby does not a study make. But it will produce millions in grant money.


15 posted on 05/25/2013 8:00:42 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv

Read history and you will see that before formula, and especially among primitive tribes, it was not uncommon for mothers to nurse kids until they were three or four year old.

For a meat diet Neanderthal, the only supplemental food available was blood or meat juices. My father told me that when he was a child on a ranch, they would put chunks of rare cooked meat in a cloth and squeeze out the blood and juice to feed to babies (1930s).


16 posted on 05/25/2013 8:10:49 AM PDT by darth
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To: SunkenCiv

What Neanderthals Really Looked Like


Click on above image to see more...


VIDEO

17 posted on 05/25/2013 8:12:02 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: SunkenCiv

Somewhat Witty, Itty Bitty Titty Ditty

A cave lady whose breasts were quite wee,
Little more than the stings of a bee,
..Decided implants
..Were the way to enhance
What became a huge 42 (Gee!)

Coconuts?


18 posted on 05/25/2013 8:17:30 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: central_va

Move over, kid.


19 posted on 05/25/2013 8:26:13 AM PDT by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: Bon mots
Salt Vampire Michelle photo MicHELLe.jpg
20 posted on 05/25/2013 9:17:27 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void
Oh yeah, well take this!


21 posted on 05/25/2013 9:21:29 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: SunkenCiv

[[The precision of this estimate is courtesy a new technique that uses elements in teeth to determine when breast-feeding started and stopped]]

For cryign out loud- how do they know the parents didn’t give the child Ensure?


22 posted on 05/25/2013 9:47:09 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: LibsRJerks

I agree 100%


23 posted on 05/25/2013 10:01:03 AM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: Former Fetus

Have a couple glasses of wine before hand? My Polish In Laws told me that a shot of Vodka led to a peaceable nights sleep for all involved.


24 posted on 05/25/2013 10:25:00 AM PDT by Little Bill (A)
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To: LibsRJerks
Totally agree with you. Back in the day of my babies, I was a breastfeeding Nazi too.

On a separate note, it's been said that the effect of all the estrogen-laced soy in soy baby formula has an a feminizing effect on little boys, which kind of explains today's gay infatuated society.

25 posted on 05/25/2013 10:30:41 AM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: Lizavetta
My wife breast-fed our kids and got all kinds of grief from her family over it. They thought it was gross and low-class. I'm glad she did though and not only because I didn't have to get up that much in the middle of the night to fetch a bottle of formula.

Kids grew up healthy and never had a single health problem. No silly allergies to things like peanut butter, no ADD, no major sickness, nothing like that at all. They weren't even discipline problems though I like to take credit for some of that.

26 posted on 05/25/2013 10:37:50 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76
I not only breastfed my four but I had the first three in cloth diapers because of finances and simply because I liked the whole cotton thing. And the more that people looked down with scorn for what I did the more drive I had to do it.

Plus, my first baby was a 10 lb. c-section birth ... and of course everyone but my midwife said all the rest had to be c-sections as well. Well, the next three were regular deliveries with no complications.

That said, even with breast feeding two of mine had chronic ear infections, the other two never did.

27 posted on 05/25/2013 10:47:41 AM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: Lizavetta

Yes, we did the cloth diaper thing too. Just seemed like a better way to go as opposed to those humongous packages of disposables they sell at the supermarket. The Dydee man would pick up the used ones and drop off the fresh clean ones on our doorstep. Cotton breathes a lot easier than plastic and never had to deal with diaper rash issues.


28 posted on 05/25/2013 10:52:54 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Bon mots
Bon mots: "What Neanderthals Really Looked Like"

Not even close -- that's pure anti-Neanderthal propaganda.
For starters, after hundreds of thousand of years living in Ice Age Europe, Neanderthals were certainly white skinned.
So here is what real scientists say they looked like:


29 posted on 05/25/2013 3:20:55 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

“F”

Laughing my farging @ss right onto the floor.


30 posted on 05/25/2013 8:53:14 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: bunkerhill7
I like breastfeeding.

Hell I'm 60+ and I still like to breast feed :)

31 posted on 05/25/2013 8:59:05 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: piroque

u`re a youngster


32 posted on 05/25/2013 9:47:21 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: dsc
dsc: "Laughing my farging @ss right onto the floor."

Now it's Sunday morning, time for you to sober up, FRiend.
So, you have evidence to support your, ah, hilarious opinions?

;-)

33 posted on 05/26/2013 4:30:43 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: CottShop

And floss, maybe they flossed.


34 posted on 05/26/2013 5:46:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

35 posted on 05/26/2013 5:50:32 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Bon mots

That garbage has been linked on FR before. And it is garbage. Some Australian dreamed up that garbage and has been pushing it through a garbage website. It isn’t scientific, it’s a cartoon, my best guess, he wants a movie or tv show.


36 posted on 05/26/2013 5:59:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah, I figured as much, but the story is fun to read anyway.

Hardly likely that a glacial dwelling primate would be covered with thick black fur... now if it were white fur...

:)


37 posted on 05/26/2013 6:03:00 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: BroJoeK

What I find interesting is that they assume none of them liked to wash the dirt off their bodies, or take care of their hair vs. all of them having matted dreadlocks and black streaks of dirt all across their bodies... Even animals clean themselves - but apparently we must assume that our “relatives” were absolutely unconcerned about those things?

I don’t know any mother who doesn’t at least do a little bit of “spit” grooming now and again - getting dirt off a cheek, or slicking down a cowlick. I have a hard time believing that even neanderthal moms didn’t do that as well... It’s instinctual...


38 posted on 05/26/2013 4:59:28 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: darth; SunkenCiv; Lizavetta; jespasinthru; All

I nursed two sons. The first for about 9 months, the second a little more than two years. About biting. The first time either one did that I yelped and jerked away. They did not do that again. My first son had two upper molars at 5 months. He was sitting in the carriage with a bag of groceries in front of him. I was chatting with a neighbor, and when I looked at him he had leaned forward and scraped a 1 inch diameter hole in a big green pepper with those two teeth. I made my own baby food based on Adelle Davis’ book “Let’s Have Healthy Children. He is now 43, in Afghanistan with Special Forces. He had one cavity a couple of years ago. My other son has also had one cavity under an impacted molar.

They did have some problem with ear infections, although not as bad as mine. I would boil water with a teaspoon of honey, add 500 mg. of Vitamin C (crushed) and a half teaspoon of powdered garlic. Put it in a baby bottle and let them suck on it during the night. It helped open their eustacian tubes and provide drainage, which helped a lot. Garlic is also a germacide.

The son I nursed for over 2 years has a far more mellow disposition. When he was about 18 months old he protested getting into pajamas with vigor. Then we would lie on the bed for nursing. He would be about a foot away and look at my bare breast and scowl at me. I would just lie quietly and after a few minutes he would inch closer. Finally he would take the breast but his body would be very stiff. Soon he would relax, and finally pat my side affectionately with one hand. He lost interest in nursing about the time we no longer had “terrible twos” struggles.


39 posted on 05/26/2013 11:52:00 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: BroJoeK

“So, you have evidence to support your, ah, hilarious opinions?”

Didn’t you recognize image “F?”


40 posted on 05/28/2013 12:12:55 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
dsc: "Didn’t you recognize image 'F?' "

Infinitely more scientific than the joke photos in post #17.

41 posted on 05/28/2013 4:43:17 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

“Infinitely more scientific than the joke photos in post #17.”

Well, it was still very funny that “F” was included in that gallery.

I am not, obviously, an anthropologist. I had one course in college (Man in the Pleistocene) and continue to read popular literature, but am in no way competent to understand what is wrong with the arguments advanced by Vendramini. I mean, it looks plausible to me.


42 posted on 05/29/2013 11:52:30 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
dsc: "I am not, obviously, an anthropologist.
I had one course in college (Man in the Pleistocene) and continue to read popular literature, but am in no way competent to understand what is wrong with the arguments advanced by Vendramini.
I mean, it looks plausible to me."

Nor am I an expert, but those Vendramini images are not even remotely "plausible", and here's why:

  1. First and most obvious there's no way that, after hundreds of thousands of years living up north, Neanderthals were still black.

  2. Vendramini's inhuman facial expressions are obviously intended to frighten more than enlighten.

  3. Recent DNA analysis shows some levels of interbreeding between humans & Neanderthals -- which tells us they cannot possibly have been so very different from ourselves.
    Further, it suggests that the side which captured women and kept their babies was not the Neanderthals.

  4. Finally, photos of more serious scientific efforts to reconstruct Neanderthals' appearance, show them far more sympathetically and realistically.

So those Vendranamini images seem obvious anti-Neanderthal propaganda, doubtless intended to suggest there is no way interbreeding happened, or if it did, that the resulting hybrids were decidedly in-human.

Neither supposition seems realistic to me.

Some comparisons of Vendramini versus other representations of Neanderthals vs early humans:

43 posted on 05/30/2013 3:43:42 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

The Monkey Trial - Evolutionary Politics in the post-Traditional Age by Chuck Morse
http://amzn.com/B00B0O6AJU


44 posted on 06/02/2013 11:20:17 AM PDT by Chuckmorse
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To: Chuckmorse
Chuckmorse: "The Monkey Trial - Evolutionary Politics in the post-Traditional Age by Chuck Morse"

If you wish to argue that today's culture has sunk ever deeper these past, oh say, 150 years, and that evolution theory has been misused to justify countless horrors, then I'm all with you -- tell it like it is.

But if you somehow suggest that this makes the scientific theory of evolution invalid, I'd call that a non-sequitur.
It would be like saying that since the Atom bomb killed so many people, therefore it's science is flawed.

Bottom line: the scientific evolution hypothesis has been confirmed often enough to be considered a valid theory, and some of its processes (descent with modifications, natural selection) have been observed, making them facts.

Allegations of "flaws" notwithstanding, there is no confirmed evidence to validly falsify the theory.

45 posted on 06/02/2013 12:14:36 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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