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The 5 Most Overrated Male Musicians
http://pjmedia.com ^ | April 30, 2013 | KATHY SHAIDLE

Posted on 05/01/2013 4:06:21 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

#5: Pink Floyd

Let’s tackle Roger Waters’ reputed antisemitism first, since it lets me put off having to actually talk about his dreadful “music” for a bit.

I grew up trying to avoid The Wall. It was ubiquitous in my steel mill home town — a whining drone blaring from every paneled suburban basement and tricked out Chevy van.

#4 – Bob Marley

The king of rasta “music” (and his idiotic “religion”) inspires so much loathing I barely have to do more than cut and paste this entry. Thanks, other people!

Remember that “tribute to Bob Marley” at this year’s Grammy Awards? Neither does anyone else, because it was terrible. The most entertaining part? You can actually see all these A-list performers’ suddenly remembering, too late and on live TV, that Bob Marley’s songs are, in fact, really really bad.

#3: Stevie Wonder

At the risk of wandering into Elvis Costello territory — yes, he really did say this — I’m gonna come right out with it:

If Stevie Wonder wasn’t black and blind, there’s no way he’d be as highly esteemed as he is.

A white guy who named himself “Wonder” would never hear the end of it. Instead, we never hear the end of Stevie’s songs, especially on American Idol.

OK, so that’s not his fault, but you know what is?

Besides The Secret Life of Plants and “I Just Called To Say I Love You” and “Ebony and Ivory”?

#2: The Doors

The Doors are like certain Twilight Zone episodes or The Shawshank Redemption:

Really deep and profound — if you’re 12 years old.

Jim Morrison’s lyrics — sorry, I mean “poetry” — is, well, let this guy say it:

Jim Morrison wrote a lot of poetry, and most of it was (…) pretentious, regrettable, faux-intellectual diarrhea. Reading Jim Morrison the poet is like watching a shirtless SAE pledge strumming James Blunt on his old acoustic in the university commons during spring break: totally insufferable, uninspiring, and distasteful.

By the way: the dude who wrote that is a fan of The Doors.

Just saying.

#1: Bruce Springsteen

Bruce Springsteen is a pompous blowhard whose overwrought, arrested-adolescent lyrics make Jim Morrison sound like Philip Larkin.

And like Morrison, he wrote about stuff he knows nothing about — like having a real job — and, like both Morrison and Stevie Wonder, he gave himself a ridiculous “penis” nickname: “The Boss.”

The only reason “Because the Night” is good is because Patti Smith co-wrote it.

But as usual, it took an Englishman to give Springsteen the thrashing he deserves:

Someone like Tom Waits makes me feel like I understand America a little better. Springsteen makes me feel hopelessly estranged from the place with his hyperventilating soap operas about young lovers riding outta this one-horse town on the back of a hurricane down the highway of dreams. (…)

His lyrics are wrought from overcooked high school poetry (“we ride through mansions of glory on suicide machines”), homespun hokum, and the York Study Notes to John Steinbeck.

Springsteen appeals to the eternal adolescent in every rock fan, but not the fun, irreverent version, rather the inner Holden Caulfield, earnestly searching for ANSWERS and TRUTH, desperate to be a hero in the drama of his own life, utterly incapable of laughing at himself or the world.

Pt.1 :http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/04/23/the-5-most-overrated-male-musicians-part-one/?singlepage=true

Pt.II:http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2013/04/30/the-5-most-overrated-male-musicians-part-two/?singlepage=true


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To: dfwgator

Then I say that he is completely overrated!


151 posted on 05/01/2013 5:21:15 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the Country!)
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To: Para-Ord.45
The 5 Most Overrated Male Musicians

No. 1)

152 posted on 05/01/2013 5:21:18 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: All

I would agree to the Doors with the exception of Road House Blues..

Marley was great... check out Buffalo Soldier

PF.. great band...

for me... the Beatles never did anything... hello Yellow Submarine... really?


153 posted on 05/01/2013 5:22:07 PM PDT by wyowolf
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To: dfwgator

Holy Cow, a civil discussion on different tastes that lead to different opinions. We can’t have that on an Internet forum!!!!!!

You have insulted my honor and devalued my opinion, you must be a troll!!!!!!!!! Curses be upon you!!!!!/Joking

Seriously, just taking a moment to mock the goofiness that happens on any forum when there is difference of opinion-nice discussion. Thanks for a refreshing moment in the looniness that is today’s form of “Discourse”


154 posted on 05/01/2013 5:22:22 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Hellyeah...if people are including Jimi and The Beatles (not me though) then why not MJ?


155 posted on 05/01/2013 5:23:00 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Huskrrrr

>>Let me cover my head first, OK......Bob Dylan. Never understood the magic, never will.

In that generation (and this one) a poet has to sing to get an audience. Dylan is one of the greatest poets of his generation, if not the best. Listen to the imagery in Mr. Tambourine Man for example.

I know I’ll get more blowback from this opinion than you will from yours! A lot of FReepers don’t like Dylan.


156 posted on 05/01/2013 5:23:25 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: diverteach

“This is too easy. Pick any five rappers.”

And the winner


157 posted on 05/01/2013 5:24:29 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Snickering Hound
Finally, Bono gets a nod...
158 posted on 05/01/2013 5:24:53 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: napscoordinator

You MUST have done more acid than they did!


159 posted on 05/01/2013 5:25:25 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: diverteach
This is too easy. Pick any five rappers.

No, the thread distinctly asked for the five most overrated "MUSICIANS".

160 posted on 05/01/2013 5:27:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dsrtsage

161 posted on 05/01/2013 5:27:36 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Huskrrrr

I concure. :-)


162 posted on 05/01/2013 5:28:52 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt)
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To: muir_redwoods

Really, well, how about this: Melanie (Brand new key).

It may be pretentious but it’s musicianship is awesome. I kind of lost interest when Freddy came out and I think the last album I like from them is Jazz.
His last song though, is pretty awesome but Freddy didn’t write it, I think the drummer did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjiapiq-hqY

Brian May’s guitar playing is awesome as well and he and his dad built that guitar that has that awesome squeal when he selects that pickup.

Although everyone thinks Freddy was gay, the song on A Night at the Opera, “Love of My Life” was about his on/off girlfriend who inherited his house when he passed.

The bass player kind of dropped off the planet, they never say what happened except that he’s at a place in his life where he just wants to enjoy his home life.


163 posted on 05/01/2013 5:29:03 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: plain talk

As I posted to another-Have tried to like Genesis, just can’t. Personal taste.

There are other bands that I have to acknowledge are technically good but would never listen to. I guess Genesis may fall into that category.

As far as Phil-well, Mediocre pop music and him just seem to go together like Chocolate and Peanut butter. :)


164 posted on 05/01/2013 5:29:31 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: expat1000
A lot of FReepers don’t like Dylan.

Well, I'm not one of them. Anyone who lets his less than perfect voice block them from the beauty of his words is really missing out on something special.

And yes, Mr. Tambourine Man is one of his best.

165 posted on 05/01/2013 5:34:10 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Should we not determine whether or not the listed people are even “musicians” before we declare them overated?


166 posted on 05/01/2013 5:34:41 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: 5Madman2

Yes - comprende. What I liked about your response is you are able to separate respect for an artist vs personal taste. Not everyone can do that for some reason. There are many bands that I respect but don’t like.


167 posted on 05/01/2013 5:36:14 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: equaviator

Well, yes, he is *also* a musician, but that’s not what he’d ever be known for. During Floyd’s best years, he ceded the lead guitar to Gilmour.


168 posted on 05/01/2013 5:39:26 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: napscoordinator

Beatles are OK, Stevie is OK, especially for when they came out.

Scratch Bob Dylan. Scratch Village People.

Pink Floyd is great, especially Dark Side of the Moon.

Lose Madonna.


169 posted on 05/01/2013 5:39:53 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: napscoordinator
Agreed regarding the Beatles. I was a teenager when they first came to the US. My friends went to see them and couldn’t talk for days afterwards. They were hoarse from screaming.

I didn’t go. In those days I wasn’t really into rock n roll. I grew up with parents who had Sinatra, big band and Broadway albums. To this day, I still love the 1940s and prior music. I did eventually get into rock, but to this day, I don’t see anything that was so wonderful about the Beatles — individually or together.

170 posted on 05/01/2013 5:43:49 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Lx

I agree about The Who. Greatest band of all time. I saw them live twice. Quadrophenia kept me half sane in an earlier era even though I only came out when I drank my gin.

As for this list, Pink Floyd Animals is very underrated album. Don’t know about Marley, and am indifferent to Stevie Wonder. I liked some Doors songs but others are depressing enough to make you want to put a gun in your mouth. Springsteen is totally overreated and just plain sucks.


171 posted on 05/01/2013 5:45:06 PM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: dfwgator

Concur-as much as I despised Disco in the 70s and swore that it was not music, I have to admit they showed more musicianship than any rapper ever concevied of


172 posted on 05/01/2013 5:45:34 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: dfwgator

Squonk

Concur


173 posted on 05/01/2013 5:46:18 PM PDT by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Olog-hai
Face it, Roger: Gilmour is a darn good musician by contrast, and Floyd wouldn’t be what it became without him. Get the reunion done and stop shafting your fans;

While I wouldn't mind seeing Nick Mason play with David Gilmour again, I'm more than happy enough to listen to Pink Floyd without Waters. Overrated as a bass player, and overrated as a lyricist. Plus, he was really nasty to Rick Wright as "The Wall" tour was coming up, and forced him out of the band. Pressured by the others involved in the project, Waters agreed to "hire" Rick as a contractor for the tour, and as such, was the only one of the 4 to actually make money on that tour!

Rick Wright was touring with David Gilmour's band up until his death from Cancer. You could tell there was a lot of love and respect between Gilmour and Wright.

Mark

174 posted on 05/01/2013 5:46:19 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Para-Ord.45
I've been reading the thread with interest, can't say I agree with all the pans.

Michael Jackson gets trashed first and foremost because of the freak he became, and his behavior. He had his share of musical genius and was tremendously influential. Maybe it hasn't aged to the point that the music overcomes the been-there-heard-that of a lot of overexposure. I suspect history will be kinder to his music than it will be to him.

Genesis was awful post-Peter Gabriel, very interesting while he was front man. Phil Collins was a talented drummer and should’ve stuck with it, lol. Peter Gabriel did some very striking things solo until it went to his head and he began getting preachy. Same with Gordon Sumner. Same with Bono. Same with Springsteen. Same with a lot of household names.

I generally don't have much use for popular Pink Floyd. Popular Pink Floyd is anything that got airplay. Early Syd Barrett era is another matter, I enjoy it. Lesser-known tracks post-Barrett, there have been a few that worked for me. Somebody mentioned “Fearless” upthread, that's one of them.

I've never understood the esteem in which Geddy Lee of Rush has been held, sophomoric sci-fi lyrics, that godawful screechy caterwauling, I don't get it and never will.

175 posted on 05/01/2013 5:46:40 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Para-Ord.45; a fool in paradise
Charlie Hodge.


176 posted on 05/01/2013 5:47:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: 5Madman2

Phil Collins was a damn fine Speedway racer and I found him very down to earth. Seemed to be a good guy when I met him.

OOPS! Wrong Phil Collins.


177 posted on 05/01/2013 5:49:54 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Government lies, then the media lies to cover up the government lies.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

John Cougar Menstrualcramp, for PJ’s Springsteen reasons.


178 posted on 05/01/2013 5:51:30 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Fresh Wind; expat1000
And yes, Mr. Tambourine Man is one of his best.

"Mr. Tambourine Man" seems to be about a drug dealer.

179 posted on 05/01/2013 5:51:40 PM PDT by Taft in '52
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To: equaviator

Echoes one of the most amazing musical instrumental songs ever. The sounds. I always say “you don’t have to be high to trip on Floyd”.


180 posted on 05/01/2013 5:53:23 PM PDT by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: Para-Ord.45

List looks pretty accurate to me. As far as myself, I am still celebrating Rush’s long overdue induction in the HOF.


181 posted on 05/01/2013 5:53:44 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Now Geddy Lee, there's a train wreck, or more like fingernails on a chalk board of a voice if there ever was one. Oh, I'm supposed to give him a pass because he's kinda sorta a libertarian.

Yeah, but how about that drummer!!!!!!!!!!

182 posted on 05/01/2013 5:55:49 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Taft in '52

>>”Mr. Tambourine Man” seems to be about a drug dealer.

So what?


183 posted on 05/01/2013 5:56:25 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: goodwithagun

That’s funny right there I tell you.

I met Springsteen at the Pony before he kicked off the Born in the USA tour. He was pretty cool. But like every other performer, once they open their mouths, it’s all over Johnny.

My top 5 is:

Sting
Bono
Costello
Dylan
Jack Black - yes the actor.


184 posted on 05/01/2013 5:57:06 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Now Geddy Lee, there's a train wreck, or more like fingernails on a chalk board of a voice if there ever was one. Oh, I'm supposed to give him a pass because he's kinda sorta a libertarian.

No, you're thinking of the drummer, Neal Peart, who's since taken a leftward turn... Geddy's always been a Canadian liberal. But he's a good "family man," and generous (he bought a collection of autographed baseballs specifically to donate them the the "Negro League Hall of Fame" in Kansas City). But none of that is related to this thread... It's about overrated musicians. And while Geddy's voice was sometimes rather jarring (it's mellowed over the years, but still not for everyone), he's one of the greatest rock and roll bass players in music, and is on nearly ever musician's "top musician" list.

Mark

185 posted on 05/01/2013 5:57:33 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: OKSooner

MOODY BLUES??? you don’t like the Moody Blues???????? I LOVE them!


186 posted on 05/01/2013 5:58:14 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (I may be drunk, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. (Churchill))
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To: Para-Ord.45

Billy Joel.


187 posted on 05/01/2013 5:59:36 PM PDT by Third Person (Welcome to Gaymerica.)
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To: Hammerhead
No worst musician list is complete without Michael Bolton

A certified "No-talent Assclown".

188 posted on 05/01/2013 6:00:34 PM PDT by SIDENET
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To: Taft in '52; Fresh Wind

Actually, it’s about a drug experience, not a dealer. The Tambourine Man is not a dealer - it’s the experience. That’s my interpretation. I’m not a poet - that’s the best I describe it.

But this is a discussion on music and poetry, not values.


189 posted on 05/01/2013 6:00:54 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Para-Ord.45
Hey "Boss" practice what you preach, give 99.99% of your money back.

even 80%.

190 posted on 05/01/2013 6:01:00 PM PDT by alrea
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To: Lx

Sorry, we differ


191 posted on 05/01/2013 6:02:16 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Shimmer1

Now that Alice Cooper and Rush are in the HOF, the Moody Blues is now its biggest oversight.


192 posted on 05/01/2013 6:02:55 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Usagi_yo
Meatloaf? Anybody that ugly who can get up there and sing like that is okay in my book too.

Meatloaf has one of the all-time great R&R voices. To hear him really rock out (without the Jim Steinman influence), check out the Ted Nugent album, "Free for All." Amazing!

Mark

193 posted on 05/01/2013 6:05:35 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
Rush is probably presently the greatest collection of rock musicians and musicianship. All time greatest rock musicians???..... Emerson Lake, and Palmer.

Agian this comments is not greatest music, but greatest musicians.

194 posted on 05/01/2013 6:06:55 PM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: AceMineral
Nick Mason has retired. No Mason no Floyd.

Don't forget that Rick Wright died of cancer a few years ago...

Mark

195 posted on 05/01/2013 6:07:30 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Lx

The biggest problem with Dear God, is that it totally went against the feel of the entire Skylarking album, it just didn’t fit....The song it replaced, “Mermaid Smiled” fit much better into the concept.

Funny how over time, Andy actually finally admitted that Todd Rundgren did a pretty bang up job producing Skylarking.


196 posted on 05/01/2013 6:10:42 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Taft in '52
"Mr. Tambourine Man" seems to be about a drug dealer.

So? A lot of great songs have been written about all sorts of illegal, immoral, or self-destructive activities. But to enjoy those songs doesn't mean that you are personally involved in those sorts of activities, or would ever want to be.

197 posted on 05/01/2013 6:11:37 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Lx; rigelkentaurus

Great personal story about Melanie’s “Brand New Key.” Back in 83 a half dozen of us went to a bar near Wrigley Field after a Cub game. The bar had an old jukebox and my friend Tim went to check it out. He called me over and pointed to Brand New Key. We laughed as weo couldn’t believe it was on a jukebox. Then I asked him how many quarters he had and he replied “Enough.” So we set Brand New Key to play EIGHT times, and told the rest of the gang it was time to go.

We never went back to that bar.


198 posted on 05/01/2013 6:11:57 PM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: plain talk
Pink Floyd is a great band. I hate Roger Water’s politics but he wrote a bunch of great songs. nevertheless it’s a better band without him and with David Gilmour leading it

I think that in a lot of cases, combinations of musicians are far better than those same musicians by them selves. Waters, tempered by Gilmour, Wright, and Mason, was terrific. But I couldn't stand him alone. Another example of this (IMHO) was the combination of Lennon/McCartney, especially when guided by George Martin.

Mark

199 posted on 05/01/2013 6:12:37 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Third Person

YES!...Only one or two albums and one or two songs from each of those were at the most, memorable.


200 posted on 05/01/2013 6:14:15 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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