Posted on 04/28/2013 12:02:59 PM PDT by EveningStar
I am going to preface this that if you do not want to know the truth about Star Trek Into Darkness and who Benedict Cumberbatch is really playing, you should not be reading this.
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Sorry for the dupe post
Too late.
It's kind of like saying to a patriot we're changing the American flag to a hammer and sickle. Suck it up.
This remake doesn't even make sense. Even if the time line has been changed, when Kirk's father dies, the previous point of time did not. Before the Romulans had come through the Black Hole, the time line had not changed and there would be no reason why Khan would be any different than what the original series had made him to be.
If JJ had any brains, he would have picked up one of the other episodes and made a film instead of taking an already highly successful movie and re-making it.
A good example of how to deal with years of Canon is what ‘Doctor Who’ has done...use what you works and ignore the rest...there is always a tie to tie things together later if needed.
Wow that sentence got away from me!
I’m not worked up at all. Just once again shaking my head at how addicted Trek fans are to what wasn’t working. Watch some Voyager and tell me again how JJ ruined Trek.
No it’s not. It’s pointing out that they hold the show in too high a reverence. The fans really are a big part of why Trek canon because an unwieldy mess, they’re the ones that started keeping track of which button Sulu pushed. TOS had no real canon to speak of, major parts of Trek (including this whole “Federation” thing) were popped in after the show was running. It’s obsessive fans that analyzed every frame and tried to turn a show that really had no cross episode continuity into a cohesive structure. Then Rodenberry went and encouraged them by trying to solidify the canon in TNG and thus the albatross was born.
Back in the day “reboots” were common. Except nobody called them reboots, everybody just understood that the new Flash Gordon series/ serial/ comic wasn’t going to try to pick up the continuity of any of the ones that came before. Everything was stand alone, even when it had familiar names.
Who says Khan’s any different? He’s in different CIRCUMSTANCES but we don’t know if the character changed.
I agree he shouldn’t have picked up Khan. ESPECIALLY not for the second movie. I understand the temptation, Khan’s one of the best characters in the history of Trek. But this puts him on a bad path of mirroring the first movies, should have picked up somebody else.
Trek fans prevent that. There’s a ridiculously obsessive crowd of fans in Trek that demand every frame be worshiped as tight canon. They’re the ones that still wind up hassling Takei and Koenig for pushing the “wrong” button. Once Roddenberry decided to placate that crowd in TNG and really try to tighten up the canon the bad path was set. Just look at the incredible whining that came when the Enterprise communicators were revealed to be smaller than the TOS ones. I think that hew and cry right there was why any smart writer that gets tied to Trek would want to reboot, the canon crowd cannot be pleased, best to cut them off.
“I read the spoilers and I plan on seeing the movie when it comes out.”
Me too! It looks like it’s going to be excellent, to me at least.
I accept the “fact” that the galactic timeline has been rearranged in this reboot and that will alter the tales of the Star Trek gang as we know them. That’s not a bad thing, again, to me at least.
SOBB They messing with Star Trek Wrath of Khan the alternative universe HELLO
THis going sucks I THINK SO
Where Khan hot body still dead LOL!
Yeah...gotta love Riccardo’s pecks...:)
Remaking or rebooting films is fine if you don’t really care about the characters. Star Trek fans love their characters and to make this horrific mistake is just unforgivable. Ricardo Montalban is Khan. To have some English twit play the role is sacrilege.
Sorry but out in the actual entertainment business remaking and rebooting is the norm. Ricardo Montalban is dead, he ain’t doing anymore Khan, but that’s no reason for the character to go on a shelf. One nice thing about having a brit play the character is that at least the accent can make sense, lots of Indians with British accents, not many with Mexican. And anybody that doesn’t like it there’s the Stephen King rule: the old version is out there and available.
I may go see the movie Star Trek see if it is right I hope don’t suck
Two movies I want see too Wolverine and Iron Man 3 also Superman Man of steel
It’s not going to suck.
Man of Steel looks FANTASTIC!!!
Yep, then people say, "Star Trek use to be really good until they screwed around with it"
People are still talking about how Lucus F'd up adding Jar Jar Binks.
Part of the problem is as a franchise ages the fans are willing to forgive more sins. Truth be told Trek was NEVER really good. Half the episodes of TOS, including most of season 3, stink. They’re hackneyed, cliche (even at the time) with actually very bad acting from most of the cast. But we love it, so we forgive it it’s occasional “brain, brain and brain, what is brain” because there’s Space Seed and Tribbles.
And of course the tradition continues after that, the first 3 season of TNG are atrocious, first half of season 4 is pretty good, but then for the second half they did a bunch of single character episodes and we quickly found out that Picard and Data were the only characters that could actually carry a story. 5, 6 and 7 are mostly pretty good, but of course it was during TNG we learned that all holodeck episodes are horrid.
DS9 comparatively started off pretty strong, and got better every season, probably the closest Trek ever got to an actually good show from beginning to end. they even pulled off a couple of god holodeck eps. Then there’s Voyager. Worst show ever. Then Enterprise which, in spite of the whining of continuity worshipers, was actually pretty good, until the temporal cold war started, then it went to crap.
And in this world, where probably 70% of the content was crap, crap many of us love but still crap. People boldly declare that JJ ruined Trek. Is it different? Sure. Not as smart as Trek’s higher ideals? Yes. But is it as dumb as Gamesters of Triskelion? No. And it’s a damn sight better than Voyager. And like a lot of the best Trek it’s a fun ride.
You bring in Star Wars. We can see the same thing. Everybody now claims Jar Jar destroyed the series, to which I say one word: Ewoks. Really if you look at the original trilogy the first movie is OK, kind of fun, kind of dorky, but when the legend of Lucas’ grand plan comes up always remeber Luke hitting on Leia. Then we get Empire, great movie all the way up until “I am your father Luke” which in and of itself wasn’t bad but it put the series on a bad path. Then comes Return, which just stinks. That’s where we get the repercussions of Darth Daddy, made worse with sister Leia; Han gets reduced to comic sidekick... and Ewoks. And yet somehow people boldly declare Jar Jar killed it.
The lesson being, objects in the rear view mirror ain’t nearly as good as they appear.
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