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The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap
DEBKA ^ | April 20, 2013 | DEBKA

Posted on 04/20/2013 7:21:15 AM PDT by tired&retired

The conclusion reached by DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian. Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: agitprop; boston; brothers; chechnya; debka; kenyanbornmuzzie; lewrockwell; marathon; partisanmediashill; partisanmediashills; russia; saudiarabia
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1 posted on 04/20/2013 7:21:15 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

One minor flaw with this theory:

“Debka” is floating it.


2 posted on 04/20/2013 7:22:53 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: tired&retired

Why are they deporting the Saudi?

Why has the FBI been in constant with the brothers contact for several years?

Why did Michelle O’bummer visit the Saudi in the hospital?


3 posted on 04/20/2013 7:22:54 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I agree with you.... but it sure fits.


4 posted on 04/20/2013 7:23:28 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Why did Russia bring these boys to the FBI’s attention as potential terrorists?


5 posted on 04/20/2013 7:24:19 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired
We should have been able to go to their file almost immediately because of the inquiry by Russia. Why did we lie to Russia?? Because we failed to deport the "angel".

Over 300 children were killed by these rotten sunni muslims...aka....allah's warriors.

6 posted on 04/20/2013 7:24:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tired&retired

Why were all the undercover agents with the black backpacks and the ear communication devices watching the marathon?


7 posted on 04/20/2013 7:25:46 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions,


What now, then? Saudis want to roll back Wahabbism?

Man, I was born AT night...


8 posted on 04/20/2013 7:26:27 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: tired&retired

bttt


9 posted on 04/20/2013 7:27:05 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: tired&retired

If this is true, the surviving brother will suddenly die of his wounds to cover it up.


10 posted on 04/20/2013 7:27:40 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: txhurl

“Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions,”

Remember, double agents have more than one loyalty. This is much more complex than just “us vs them”


11 posted on 04/20/2013 7:30:57 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

There could be other theories also. This may not not be the only one. A double cross could be part of the whole story. The two bombers were just minor players and they got exposed. There were many people there that day with backpacks. The liberal media was trying hard to point attention to a white bomber. Maybe the real bombers got exposed and the fall guy got missed due to too exposure.


12 posted on 04/20/2013 7:33:03 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: tired&retired

Per the article:

The Saudis feared that their convoluted involvement in the Caucasus would come embarrassingly to light when a Saudi student was questioned about his involvement in the bombng attacks while in a Boston hospital with badly burned hands.
They were concerned to enough to send Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saudi al-Faisal to Washington Wednesday, April 17, in the middle of the Boston Marathon bombing crisis, for a private conversation with President Barack Obama and his national security adviser Tom Donilon on how to handle the Saudi angle of the bombing attack.

That day too, official Saudi domestic media launched an extraordinary three-day campaign. National and religious figures stood up and maintained that authentic Saudi Wahhabism does not espouse any form of terrorism or suicide jihadism and the national Saudi religion had nothing to do with the violence in Boston. “No matter what the nationality and religious of the perpetrators, they are terrorists and deviants who represent no one but themselves.”

Prince Saud was on a mission to clear the 30,000 Saudi students in America of suspicion of engaging in terrorism for their country or religion, a taint which still lingers twelve years after 9/11. He was concerned that exposure of the Tsarnaev brothers’ connections with Wahhabist groups in the Caucasus would revive the stigma.


13 posted on 04/20/2013 7:33:15 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

Heard they had detection equipment in the bags...detect what though??


14 posted on 04/20/2013 7:33:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tired&retired

I’m real curious as to whether the surviving bomber knows the Saudi kid that is supposedly being deported. Of course I’m sure we will never be allowed to know even if he does.


15 posted on 04/20/2013 7:34:35 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: tired&retired

1. An elite American college in Cambridge admitted younger brother Dzhokhar and granted him a $2,500 scholarship, without subjecting him to the exceptionally stiff standard conditions of admission. This may be explained by his older brother Tamerlan demanding this privilege for his kid brother in part payment for recruitment.

Sound familiar to our president’s college admissions?


16 posted on 04/20/2013 7:35:21 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired
Why the Saudi connection?

Many Saudis supported bin Laden and his Saudi-dominated cabal of young male Muslims..

[Saudi Arabia:] Not Friend or Foe by Daniel Pipes. New York Post May 14, 2002

". . . Saudis have shown themselves wildly sympathetic to [Osama] bin Laden. One American hospital worker in Saudi Arabia reported "Saudi doctors and nurses around him celebrating on 9/11." A confidential survey found some 95 percent of young educated Saudis sympathetic to his declaration of war against the United States."

Wahhabi network recruits young Chechens

A Wahhabi (Saudi Arabia) connection to Chechnya

"There is a sprawling, powerful network of Wahhabi militants operating across Chechnya, which has hardly been affected by Russia's anti-extremism effort." Bakhaev said the clandestine Wahhabi network recruits young Chechens into Jamaats - militant Islamic squads - supplies them with weapons and pays for undercover operations against Russian troops and Chechen officials."

17 posted on 04/20/2013 7:35:22 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: tired&retired
I think the answer to that one is that they were hired to hand out t-shirts to the entrants as they came over the line.

May well be why the perps used the same backpack ~ to disappear!

18 posted on 04/20/2013 7:36:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bmwcyle

I think that is exactly what happened, IMO


19 posted on 04/20/2013 7:36:32 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: tired&retired

2. When in 2011, a “foreign government” (Russian intelligence) asked the FBI to screen Tamerlan for suspected ties to Caucasian Wahhabist cells during a period in which they had begun pledging allegiance to al Qaeda, the agency, it was officially revealed, found nothing incriminating against him and let him go after a short interview.

He was not placed under surveillance. Neither was there any attempt to hide the fact that he paid a long visit to Russia last year and on his return began promoting radical Islam on social media.

Yet even after the Boston marathon bombings, when law enforcement agencies, heavily reinforced by federal and state personnel, desperately hunted the perpetrators, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was never mentioned as a possible suspect


20 posted on 04/20/2013 7:36:33 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

No elite college admitted the terrorists or gave them great scholarships.

The elder went part time to a local, inner-city community college for a bit, and the younger got a fairly standard city of Cambridge scholarship upon graduating from its public high school and heading to a second-tier four-year state college down in Dartmouth, MA—not in Cambridge at all.

It’s hard to trust the additional claims in this story, given how off base they were on these simple and readily debunked ones.


21 posted on 04/20/2013 7:37:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
“Debka” is floating it.

True, but the LEOs seemed to take extraordinary care to capture the second terrorist alive. Had he been some right wing American they would have killed him in short order once they had him surrounded in a plastic boat exchanging fire with them. Does anybody really think that the SWAT and long rifle teams present couldn't have hit him from their positions less than fifty feet away? The terrorist had no cover in the boat.

Also, we heard the aunt on TV saying she had spoken to the FBI, and the FBI monitored and communicated with her son. Also, the father's statements were very interesting - suggesting that his son tell everything, and that if he was killed "all hell would break loose." Maybe that threat was more about politics and information disclosure than a threat of violence by other Chechen terrorists.

And pretty clearly the FBI knew the identity of the terrorists before they released the video tapes to the public. I can't imagine that they didn't run the images past their own counter terrorism guys, one or more of whom had interviewed terrorist #1, and no doubt had his picture in their files.

Obviously all speculation, but there have been other cases where intelligence assets go bad. Like that guy who used to work for the CIA that we had to bury at sea.

22 posted on 04/20/2013 7:37:29 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: tired&retired

He didn’t look all that wounded on the lawn to me last night.
Just tired and flash-banged up.


23 posted on 04/20/2013 7:37:30 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: tired&retired

Except that claim is completely untrue in the case of these guys.


24 posted on 04/20/2013 7:38:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Sacajaweau

radioactivity for dirty bombs


25 posted on 04/20/2013 7:39:24 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: bmwcyle
The bombers were 'white' ~ and 'moslem' ~ islam is not a color or racial classification.

Of note, the Chechens are/were part of the Caucasion background population making up the so-called Circassians who were brought in as children to man the Ottoman spatznez in the late middle ages. Sometimes they are referred to as Christians but the Chechens CONVERTED to islam about 1300 to gain Ottoman protection against the Turks.

26 posted on 04/20/2013 7:40:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: tired&retired

The article is very well written. Everyone should read it.

This also explains much of the confusion between the agencies after the bombing. He is in custody. No he is not.

Wonder how much FR member’s detective work kept the heat on the government?


27 posted on 04/20/2013 7:41:20 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

That Saudi who was released had everything to do with the bombing, no doubt.

I also have very little doubt that these two perps, the brothers, were lone wolves out to prove something.


28 posted on 04/20/2013 7:41:31 AM PDT by dforest (I have now entered the Twilight Zone.)
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To: tired&retired

In the whole terrorist vs. counter-intelligence bit there is a long history of players who were of unsure ultimate loyalties, perhaps often even to themselves.

For 50 years or so the Russian radicals and the tsarist intelligence agencies played this game. One of the ways some of the radicals financed their activities was to also become, or appear to become a double agent for the cops. Stalin was rumored to have been one that did so.

Of course, in such a case it can get really difficult to figure out which side a person is REALLY on, assuming the term has any meaning at all.


29 posted on 04/20/2013 7:42:23 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: freeandfreezing

Listening to the police radio feed during the capture last night the LEOS were standing down to the FBI orders all night!They were always asking for permission to do this and that but had to be cleared by the FBI first.


30 posted on 04/20/2013 7:42:37 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: tired&retired

Hence, the apologetic deportation of a Saudi national student.

Curious, anybody here ever burn both their hands making lunch and then been mistakenly tackle at a terrorist bombing?

No -me neither.


31 posted on 04/20/2013 7:43:02 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: freeandfreezing

Have you guys checked out the house #1 lived in? 26 year old dropout? Driving mercedes and porches?
Please, people work all their lives don’t have homes like that.


32 posted on 04/20/2013 7:43:52 AM PDT by tshaun
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To: muawiyah

Yes but I think they were trying to finger someone that was not Muslim and it failed.


33 posted on 04/20/2013 7:45:21 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: tshaun

Is this Glenn Beck’s “Big News?”


34 posted on 04/20/2013 7:48:13 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

I still want to know who this handler-lookin guy is.

35 posted on 04/20/2013 7:48:17 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Renegade

Same thing happened the night of the big chase. Always the same thing. Police would get them cornered, would be told to back out,Feds would come in, media backed out and then the ‘gatlin guns’ deployed. I have no problem mowing these clowns down but what bothered me listening to it was the obvious attempt by Feds to have no local law enforcement, media witness to events.


36 posted on 04/20/2013 7:49:41 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: tired&retired

I have one problem with this theory - well at least one. If this were true it would have been a very simple matter to make sure that the younger one was not taken alive. I was betting that he would be killed last night yet he wasn’t.


37 posted on 04/20/2013 7:52:24 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: tired&retired

Those boys had some SERIOUS money...so this does make some sense.


38 posted on 04/20/2013 7:52:31 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: txhurl
What now, then? Saudis want to roll back Wahabbism?

Actually, the House of Saud, ruling royal family of Saudi Arabia certainly wants to roll back the radical elements of it..

The bastard child they birthed now wants to overthrow them...

Remember when one of the Saudi princes was almost killed when a Jihadist blew themselves up by inserting C-4 up their rectum...while sitting next to him

39 posted on 04/20/2013 7:52:47 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

“I have one problem with this theory - well at least one. If this were true it would have been a very simple matter to make sure that the younger one was not taken alive. I was betting that he would be killed last night yet he wasn’t.”

Simple, the FBI needs to determine the extent of the double cross.


40 posted on 04/20/2013 7:57:53 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Popman

NO, I don’t recall that. How did the Prince survive such a sh**storm?


41 posted on 04/20/2013 7:58:09 AM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: penelopesire

One guy had an open mic on his person and they were having a $hit fit because he wouldn’t acknowledge to turn it off. Finally they had to call him out by name to have him click off.


42 posted on 04/20/2013 7:58:39 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: tired&retired

Actually the other problem with this theory is that it took so long to find the suspects. Compare and contrast to how quick Oswald was found - someone who indeed was known to the government. And who by the way didn’t live to tell the tale.


43 posted on 04/20/2013 7:59:56 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: tired&retired

Brothers in Marathon bombings took two paths into infamy (Unsolved murders from 2011!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3010170/posts


44 posted on 04/20/2013 8:01:09 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: txhurl

Who are these guys and where was this taken?


45 posted on 04/20/2013 8:03:01 AM PDT by csvset
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To: BobL

Those boys had some SERIOUS money...so this does make some sense.


And they had a COEXIST get-away car waiting, wonder where that driver is now? Probably not arguing with an insurance adjuster.


46 posted on 04/20/2013 8:03:09 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: tired&retired

The commonsense perception that it took 2 people to do the bombs most likely appeared her first.


47 posted on 04/20/2013 8:04:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: csvset

And who’s the Uncle Fester lookin guy whose face is hidden?


48 posted on 04/20/2013 8:05:23 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: 9YearLurker

Agreed.


49 posted on 04/20/2013 8:05:40 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: muawiyah

That was a lot of bombs to make and pressure cooker purchases for just two people.....


50 posted on 04/20/2013 8:06:12 AM PDT by tired&retired
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