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You gotta be crazy to think the founders intended this.
Gateway Pundit ^ | April 12, 2013 | Mara Zebest

Posted on 04/12/2013 8:22:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp

L.A. County Cites 16 ‘Maternity Hotels’ Serving Asian Visitors

LA Times reports the following:

Following a flurry of complaints, Los Angeles County inspectors have cited 16 “maternity hotel” owners for illegally operating boardinghouses in residential zones.

No major health or safety issues were found at the hotels, where women from Asia stay to give birth to U.S. citizen babies. But some of the facilities, which were in Rowland Heights or Hacienda Heights, were cited for building and fire code violations, according to a report released Thursday.


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KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; aliens; amnesty; anchor; anchorbaby; babies; born; citizen; illegals; jackpotbabies; natural; naturalborncitizen; welfare
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As I have stated repeatedly, the first piece of evidence that the founders never intended to grant citizenship to anyone born here is the fact that they were not idiots.
1 posted on 04/12/2013 8:22:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

How is this any different than women crossing the southern border to have their babies in American hospitals?


2 posted on 04/12/2013 8:42:23 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (And winter is coming.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; Grampa Dave; stephenjohnbanker; GOPJ

Earlier stories reported that these Asian MTB were not impoverished immigrants—they rode the US gravy train.

Their trips here were financed by rich relatives-—the chain migration once the babies were born meant more riches.

They all knew exactly where all the US govt buried treasure freebies were.


3 posted on 04/12/2013 8:43:37 AM PDT by Liz
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To: DiogenesLamp

They never thought that the Government they designed would ever be taken over by idiots either.But that’s what has happened.

Professional politicians that wouldn’t know a days work if it bit them on the ass.


4 posted on 04/12/2013 8:43:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

If they found 16 then there are 160 more. A Chinese baby with a US passport is worth a lot of money. But, our politician’s don’t want to stop this because most recent Asian immigrants support RATS with money and don’t want restrictions on bringing more relatives to the US..a safe haven from China, or some other Asian country.


5 posted on 04/12/2013 8:51:06 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Liz; All

“Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.”

Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=14th+amendment


6 posted on 04/12/2013 8:51:55 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

If any of our legislooters were serious about ‘immigration reform’, they would address the bastardization of the 14th amendment. It was never meant to be ‘squat and drop’ citizenship.


7 posted on 04/12/2013 8:53:17 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Liz

These are the people we WANT in the US.
We want immigrants of the RIGHT sort.
Successful Asians aren’t a drain on the resources of the country.
They are a net plus to national income.
The problem with immigration policy is not just that too many of the wrong sort are coming in but that its become quite difficult to get the right sort in.
The more elaborate workarounds, loopholes like this open the right doors, not the wrong ones.
If the legal immigration process was structured correctly there would be an effective filter to select for quality.


8 posted on 04/12/2013 8:54:33 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

“These are the people we WANT in the US.
We want immigrants of the RIGHT sort.
Successful Asians aren’t a drain on the resources of the country.
They are a net plus to national income.
The problem with immigration policy is not just that too many of the wrong sort are coming in but that its become quite difficult to get the right sort in.
The more elaborate workarounds, loopholes like this open the right doors, not the wrong ones.
If the legal immigration process was structured correctly there would be an effective filter to select for quality.”

Do you understand what this scam is??? These people are NOT any kind of immigrant. The come, have a baby who is deemed a US CITIZEN. Then they leave...the kid grows up and votes in OUR elections, or returns with the entire clan because of ‘family unity’.

There are VISAS for IMMIGRANTS who have $, start businesses, this isn’t what that is about! There ARE DOZENS of visa programs! Millions come in legally every year...how many do you think we should take in?


9 posted on 04/12/2013 9:00:25 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
SEATTLE TIMES---Upscale Condos used as maternity center for Chinese women shut down
By RAQUEL MARIA DILLON and CHRISTINA HOAG, w/ Bob Jablon and Gillian Flaccus in Los Angeles, The Associated Press

SAN GABRIEL, Calif — EXCERPT---After discovering a makeshift maternity clinic crammed with 10 newborns and a dozen Chinese women, authorities have closed three upscale town houses that were operating as a maternity center for Chinese mothers paying thousands of dollars to give birth in the United States so their children would automatically gain citizenship.

For months, neighbors noticed a number of pregnant Asian women coming and going at all hours at an upscale town-house development in suburban Los Angeles. They finally found out that three town homes were being used as a maternity center for Chinese mothers paying thousands of dollars to give birth in the United States so their children would automatically gain citizenship, said officials in San Gabriel, east of Los Angeles.

The discovery of where the women stayed before and after delivering their babies at local hospitals was unusual and a possible sign that birthright citizenship is being exploited as a lucrative business, an immigration activist said. "What this could suggest is ... they're taking it to the next step," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates stricter limits on immigration. "Whoever is organizing this type of operation is buying or leasing a home to become a clearinghouse. That's a serious problem."

But it's not illegal. Women from other countries have long traveled to the U.S. legally on tourist or student visas and given birth because U.S. law automatically entitles children born on U.S. soil to citizenship. While some stay under the false assumption that they, too, can gain citizenship if their child is US-born, many return to their home countries convinced a U.S. birth certificate will afford their child more opportunities in the future.

Often, the women are wealthy and able to pay the steep costs of the trip and medical care. In this case, authorities told the NBC News affiliate in Los Angeles that families paid up to $35,000 each for a birth visit.

Officials in San Gabriel, home to a large Asian population, closed the town houses for building-code violations this month after receiving a complaint about excessive noise, overcrowding and possible building-permit violations, said Clayton Anderson, the city's neighborhood-improvement-services manager. The mothers told officials their families had paid to send them to the United States to give birth, Anderson said.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement did not plan to investigate because the case did not involve fraudulently obtained visas, agency spokeswoman Virginia Kice said.

Republican lawmakers have moved to limit automatic citizenship for children born in the U.S. Earlier this year they said they hoped to trigger a Supreme Court review of the Constitution's 14th Amendment or force Congress to take action with legislation they drafted on the issue.

Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King sponsored a bill that would limit automatic citizenship to people with at least one parent who is a citizen, a legal permanent resident or who served in the military, but there has been little movement on the legislation.

Mayor David Gutierrez said he understood why some foreign citizens would wish to have their children in the U.S."They should certainly be commended for looking at the future welfare of their children but we need to be very careful that as a result it doesn't impact services and quality of life that we provide for U.S. residents," he said.

SOURCE http://seattletimes.com/html/living/2014592215_maternitytour25.html

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Other news stories say crimes for this activity are varied and serious.

“There is nothing in the law that makes it illegal for pregnant women to enter the United States,” Virginia Kice, regional spokeswoman for the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) told AFP. “However if a pregnant woman or anyone else uses fraud or deception to obtain a visa or gain admission to the United States, that would constitute a criminal act,” she added. “Likewise, that would also be true if someone conspires with others who then commit fraud on his or her behalf.

She noted that the “focus on in any visa fraud probe would be on the instigators or organizers, since that is key to disrupting and ultimately dismantling the criminal activity. “Often the defendants who orchestrate such schemes face violations beyond just visa fraud,” including possible conspiracy, money laundering, and making false statements, she added.

As for those who rent lodgings, they are often in purely residential neighborhoods where commercial activity is illegal. Such services could face prosecution for tax evasion, said Garcia.

10 posted on 04/12/2013 9:16:50 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Mike Darancette
How is this any different than women crossing the southern border to have their babies in American hospitals?

It is not different. It is exactly the same thing. It just so happens that this story is about this particular group.

11 posted on 04/12/2013 9:41:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Liz

Citizenship by being born on the soil makes perfect sense if you are a King and require that these people be your “Subjects” (another word for servants.) It is a nonsensical and ridiculous idea for a Republic with highly desired and valuable citizenship.


12 posted on 04/12/2013 9:43:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Venturer
They never thought that the Government they designed would ever be taken over by idiots either.But that’s what has happened.

Professional politicians that wouldn’t know a days work if it bit them on the ass.

They will ride this horse into the ground until it dies.

13 posted on 04/12/2013 9:45:06 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Oldexpat
If they found 16 then there are 160 more. A Chinese baby with a US passport is worth a lot of money. But, our politician’s don’t want to stop this because most recent Asian immigrants support RATS with money and don’t want restrictions on bringing more relatives to the US..a safe haven from China, or some other Asian country.

It is these "Citizenship of the World" folk that are screwing up Europe also.

14 posted on 04/12/2013 9:46:16 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: AuntB
If any of our legislooters were serious about ‘immigration reform’, they would address the bastardization of the 14th amendment. It was never meant to be ‘squat and drop’ citizenship.

Both Ann Coulter and George Will make this point in different articles.

http://www.humanevents.com/2010/08/04/justice-brennans-footnote-gave-us-anchor-babies/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/26/AR2010032603077.html

15 posted on 04/12/2013 9:49:17 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison


16 posted on 04/12/2013 9:51:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: buwaya
These are the people we WANT in the US. We want immigrants of the RIGHT sort. Successful Asians aren’t a drain on the resources of the country. They are a net plus to national income. The problem with immigration policy is not just that too many of the wrong sort are coming in but that its become quite difficult to get the right sort in. The more elaborate workarounds, loopholes like this open the right doors, not the wrong ones. If the legal immigration process was structured correctly there would be an effective filter to select for quality.

Whether we want them or not is irrelevant to the point. We have laws that enumerate the proper procedure for becoming an American Citizen, and this tactic is an end-run around those laws. I wanted Bernard Goetz to get away with shooting those guys on the subway, but we have laws against shooting people, so Bernard Goetz had to be dealt with in accordance with our laws.

We are a nation of laws, not preferences.

17 posted on 04/12/2013 9:53:22 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: allmendream
“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

And you come with that out of context quote. Madison also said that if there was a Law in South Carolina which defined citizenship in South Carolina, then it would make the answer to the question much simpler.

According to Madison, a LAW trumps the "established maxim."

We are not going to accept a piece of stupidity on the basis of some obscure and out of context quote from James Madison. That the policy is stupid is obvious for all to see.

18 posted on 04/12/2013 9:58:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Then by all means supply the context that shows that Madison doesn't ACTUALLY think place is the primary criterion for allegiance at birth, despite him saying so directly.

Your two links, including the Ann Coulter article, are not applicable to what you are decrying. They are out of context - and I will supply the context.

The Brennan (sp?) footnote that Coulter was against said that the 14th applied to people ILLEGALLY in the USA, as well as to people legally here. The 14th applies to children born of visitors or residents of the USA who are here legally.

19 posted on 04/12/2013 10:06:55 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
Then by all means supply the context that shows that Madison doesn't ACTUALLY think place is the primary criterion for allegiance at birth, despite him saying so directly.

The term "established maxim" means that it is a custom or a principle, not that it is an enacted law. In this assertion Madison is correct. English Common law is the default authority in cases where there is no State statute which addresses an issue, but you are trying to turn it into positive law which it is not.

Your two links, including the Ann Coulter article, are not applicable to what you are decrying. They are out of context - and I will supply the context.

My links are out of context? Really? Was there enough information in the links so as to imply some sort of context with which they could be out of? The links merely connect to the entire article. You are spouting nonsense.

The Brennan (sp?) footnote that Coulter was against said that the 14th applied to people ILLEGALLY in the USA, as well as to people legally here. The 14th applies to children born of visitors or residents of the USA who are here legally.

The entire point of the article is that ANCHOR BABIES are not legitimate citizens. Here, let me show you an "out of context" quote from the Ann Coulter article.

The drafters of the 14th amendment had no intention of conferring citizenship on the children of aliens who happened to be born in the U.S. (For my younger readers, back in those days, people cleaned their own houses and raised their own kids.)

Yeah, that's pretty misrepresented all right. Obviously Ann is trying to say the exact opposite of that quote.

Pull the other one.

20 posted on 04/12/2013 10:17:26 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: AuntB

HA! You’ll find peeps here with the same mindset as our ‘legislators’, who can’t read and comprehend the Constitution unless it’s in their own best interest.

Subject to the jurisdiction thereof....Seems pretty clear. No visitor falls under that designation; they have the protection of our laws, but they do no LIVE under them, nor hold allegiance to the U.S.


21 posted on 04/12/2013 10:18:51 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: DiogenesLamp

My diabolical plan is this- I intend to go to mexico- denounce my American citizenship, becoem a legal citizen of Mexico, then sneak back across the boarder so that I can have all the beinfitis afforded illegal aliens and denied to legal citizens here in America-


22 posted on 04/12/2013 10:20:14 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Exit polls showed that Obama increased his share of the Latino vote in 2012 by five percentage points, from 67% in 2008 to 72% in 2012 and the increase among voters of Asian ethnicities was eleven percentage points, from 62% in 2008 to 73% in 2012. Those two increases more than offset slight reductions in white and black support for Obama in 2012 (whites went from 43% to 39% and blacks went from 95% to 93%).
No way the Obama administration will do anything to stem immigration that gives them a political boost with the electorate. Immigrants need gub’mint services.


23 posted on 04/12/2013 10:29:54 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Exit polls showed that Obama increased his share of the Latino vote in 2012 by five percentage points, from 67% in 2008 to 72% in 2012 and the increase among voters of Asian ethnicities was eleven percentage points, from 62% in 2008 to 73% in 2012. Those two increases more than offset slight reductions in white and black support for Obama in 2012 (whites went from 43% to 39% and blacks went from 95% to 93%). No way the Obama administration will do anything to stem immigration that gives them a political boost with the electorate. Immigrants need gub’mint services.

I agree. The current status quo benefits him and his power bloc. The down side is that it is unsustainable. It's like a boat with too many passengers, at some point the weight will swamp the boat.

We might as well just acknowledge this and prepare for the consequences which are coming. I feel the last chance we had to halt a crash was the last election. Now the fire has gotten out of control and I perceive that the nation is likely to burn down.

24 posted on 04/12/2013 10:41:47 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

IT IS WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES. It is not a law, nor did I imply it was, but it is a window into what one of the most influential founders intended as to citizenship at birth.

You claim it was out of context, so please by all means supply the context whereby Madison doesn’t think place is what applies, or what should apply, in the United States. Where is the context that reverses the meaning such that Madison wouldn’t intend those born in the United States to be citizens?


25 posted on 04/12/2013 10:43:46 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

IT IS WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES. It is not a law, nor did I imply it was, but it is a window into what one of the most influential founders intended as to citizenship at birth.

No it is not. It is an offhand comment regarding someone who was born in South Carolina while it was still a British Colony. It would be like quoting "dicta" as a holding, except it doesn't even poses that degree of authoritativeness.

Here is something from a Judge of the time period which has recognized legal authority, and is not simply an offhand comment.

You claim it was out of context, so please by all means supply the context whereby Madison doesn’t think place is what applies, or what should apply, in the United States. Where is the context that reverses the meaning such that Madison wouldn’t intend those born in the United States to be citizens?

I'm not going to bother with you, you know full well the rest of what Madison says, you just want to cut out that one little piece and use it as a trump card. Well it isn't. Here is something else Madison said:


26 posted on 04/12/2013 10:51:40 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: allmendream

It’s quite certain that by ‘place’ Madison meant an anchor baby hotel, occupied for a few days prior to ferrying the baby back to its home place, where it will be raised in the cultural ways & traditions of its parents.

If you really believe that by ‘place’ Madison meant a short stay maternity home, there’s no hope for you. You’re too far gone to ever make it back.


27 posted on 04/12/2013 10:53:23 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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28 posted on 04/12/2013 11:22:26 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Liz

Good post!


29 posted on 04/12/2013 11:23:31 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: DiogenesLamp

The last line is a bit ironic, given the content of the story...

“...A draft ordinance targeting the hotels will not be ready until July at the earliest and will probably focus on single-family residential zones, said the report by L.A. County Chief Executive Officer William T Fujioka.”


30 posted on 04/12/2013 12:11:13 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: DiogenesLamp
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31 posted on 04/12/2013 12:56:15 PM PDT by ObligedFriend
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To: DiogenesLamp

When the law is a failed law, it is irrelevant.

Would you advise a resident of New York to follow the New York law on high capacity magazines, or illegally retain his old magazines ?


32 posted on 04/12/2013 1:07:21 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: AuntB

They are immigrants, or soon-to-be immigrants.
We want their “entire clan”.
These are GOOD clans.

They aren’t criminals. Their incarceration rate is a fraction of US white people. They contribute more in taxes than they absorb in benefits. They fill our Engineering and Science programs. They are a massive economic net plus.

There are dozens of visa programs that let in a trickle of the sort of people we want, compared to the total immigration flow. We don’t want a trickle, we want a flood, of the best.


33 posted on 04/12/2013 1:12:34 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: DiogenesLamp

The Europeans would (or should) kill for more Chinese immigrants.
If they had Chinese instead of Arabs they would be immensely better off.
Tell me that isn’t so.


34 posted on 04/12/2013 1:14:24 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

YOU are ill informed. We don’t need ANY jackpot baby factories!


35 posted on 04/12/2013 1:27:33 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

On the contrary, I am superbly informed.

I have spent a career following educational and career outcomes of different ethnic groups.
I have been involved in educational testing and college admissions. I have worked for the Asian Development Bank and multiple international consulting organizations.

I can tell you that the Chinese people being referred to here are incredibly valuable as a population. This is proven across the board, in every country in which they live and immigrate to.

Any law that keeps them from coming here to live is a bad law, a very, very bad law.


36 posted on 04/12/2013 1:49:40 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: DiogenesLamp

I would imagine it would matter what kind of asians.


37 posted on 04/12/2013 1:52:53 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: buwaya

You can’t be serious. I’ll chalk you off as a joke.
Don’t waste my time.


38 posted on 04/12/2013 1:54:34 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Chickensoup

Most East Asians would be OK at the very least.
Note that many “other Asian” people very possibly are in fact ethnic Chinese, as there are large Chinese populations in most East Asian countries.
In order of economic value-added, I would have to place East Asian groups like this -

Chinese
Koreans
Vietnamese
Thai&Filipino
Cambodian, Lao and Indonesian.

Note that NONE are net-negative IMHO.
None of these groups seem to be prone to social problems above the US white rate, and even the lowest performing, to the extent it can be determined, their educational performance seems to be at the white average. Granted the breakdown lacks statistics, but it is known that the Filipinos in California, for instance, have white-average test scores, including SAT’s, and they take these at a greater frequency than whites. Note that the Filipinos are considered a LOW performing group by Asian standards.


39 posted on 04/12/2013 2:01:16 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: AuntB

Facts trump snits

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703466704575489573310055484.html

Asian average Math SAT - 2010 - 591
White average Math SAT - 2010 - 536
Mexican average Math SAT - 2010- 467
Black average Math SAT - 2010 - 428

Note that the Math SAT is the best predictor of economic value-added of all these.

These results by the way are no fluke. The same is observed in every test series ever, everywhere, since any relevant data series started. NAEP, PISA, California Star, New York Regents, TIMSS, etc. ad infinitum.


40 posted on 04/12/2013 2:08:41 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Top Ten Nations of Origin for Legal Permanent Residents in 2012
(Green Card Holders)

Mexico: 146,406
China: 81,784
India: 66,434
Philippines: 57,327
Dominican Republic: 41,566
Cuba: 32,820
Vietnam: 28,304
Haiti: 22,818
Columbia: 20,931
South Korea: 20,931

1,031,631 persons total were granted Permanent Resident Alien status in 2012.


41 posted on 04/12/2013 2:31:11 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus

Note that of these only @250K were from high performing Asian populations (I am guesstimating).
If the legal immigration system were managed with a performance benchmark (say an IQ test), what would the national breakdown be do you think ?


42 posted on 04/12/2013 2:34:43 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

Look! This thread or discussion is NOT about ASIAN IMMIGRANTS!

It’s about birthing hotels and then they LEAVE!! WAKE UP!


43 posted on 04/12/2013 2:37:50 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Birthing hotels cater mainly to Asians.

These Asians patronize these because it opens an option to immigrate at some future time, which would otherwise be nearly entirely unavailable considering the immigration waiting lists for most Asian categories.

Its an end-run around the waiting lists.

I say its a GOOD end-run around the waiting lists, because the way the waiting lists are managed is stupid, from a national policy point of view.


44 posted on 04/12/2013 2:43:30 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Nero Germanicus

Top Ten Nations of Origin for person Naturalized as new American Citizens in 2012.
Mexico: 102,181
Philippines: 44,958
India: 42,928
Dominican Republic: 33,351
China: 31,868
Cuba: 31,244
Columbia: 23,972
Vietnam: 23,490
Haiti: 19,114
El Salvador: 16,685

A total of 757,434 Legal Permanent Residents became naturalized Citizens of the United States in 2012.


45 posted on 04/12/2013 2:43:48 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: buwaya

Regardless of the nation of origin, Obama got 73% of the Asian vote in 2012, second only to his 93% of the black vote and up from 62% in 2008. That is my concern.
We are adding the equivalent of a city the size of Dallas, Texas in green cards every year and a city the size of Charlotte, North Carolina in new naturalizations.


46 posted on 04/12/2013 2:53:56 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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We are also screwing up massively by not picking up most of the Asian immigrants as Republican voters.
They are more socially and economically conservative than most white populations that do vote Republican.

Of these groups the Filipinos and Vietnamese are reliably Republican, the others not. There is NO difference in essential social attitudes between Filipinos, Vietnamese, Chinese or Indians.

The real problem is a total lack of outreach, plus incredibly poor messaging.


47 posted on 04/12/2013 3:03:41 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya

They must have left my score out of the White Math Average. I’d have pulled it down a good hundred points singlehandedly. [Got a super hi IQ, yet doing math is like running a marathon—takes all my effort. Go figure.]


48 posted on 04/12/2013 3:17:22 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: buwaya

When both parties start making appeals based on race then it is over. We will be fully tribal then. You espouse racism....


49 posted on 04/12/2013 3:28:43 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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The Asian perception (in very many cases) is that the Republican party is a white club, that mainly speaks to and for white people.

There is a considerable diffidence and insecurity on the part of many Asians on this matter. There is a perception (not all that wrong) that they are held to be unwelcome in this country by Republicans.

There are very few Republicans speaking to Asians in Asian venues, and even fewer Asian Republicans doing so. And there are NO Republicans backing Asian issues, such as the shocking discrimination against Asians in college admissions.

Besides this a large proportion of Asians live in states that are dominated by Democrats, such as California. And nearly all live in big cities. The Asian view of politics is non-ideological. It is mainly a matter of power. There is no point backing Republicans if all that gets you is getting on the bad side of the people with power.

Complicating Asian outreach is that Filipinos are not Vietnamese are not Chinese are not Indians, etc. The various Asian groups don’t really talk to each other. They are not “Asian” in identity. They share locations and attitudes and interests but not identity.


50 posted on 04/12/2013 3:43:44 PM PDT by buwaya
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